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BMW Is Showing Commercials on Their Car's Dash Screens as a Treat

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Re: BMW Is Showing Commercials on Their Car's Dash Screens as a Treat

#101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The argument (which has its own pros and cons) is that the Chinese vendors are not competing fair and square. The governmental/industrial coordination in China is quite literally un comparable to Western style industries so the western governments feel they have to protect their local industries. This definitely hurts consumers in the short term, so the whole argument is about long term impacts.

This is bs. Both German and Italian auto industries e.g. have received countless money. FIAT alone got an equivalent of 200B+ euros in state/regional aid in Italy alone (that's ignoring the generous incentives of all the countries they opened plants).

Through capital and currency controls, the yuan is structurally undervalued between 9 and 25% depending on your source. That’s a direct transfer from the Chinese consumer to the Chinese exporter.

That’s hundreds of billions of dollars before we get to cash subsidies, IP subsidies, central direction, property right differences etc.

The Chinese approach is so different than the western approach that there isn’t broad consensus on how to quantify it, but it’s for sure more than the direct subsidies that something like the WTO was built to negotiate.

Re: BMW Is Showing Commercials on Their Car's Dash Screens as a Treat

#102

My 90s car has no screen. Auto industry needs to self correct before they collapse.

Screens are mandated by law in the US, I believe, for the backup camera.

My car has analog video (PAL) for the backup camera.

If a car manufacturer really wanted, I'm sure there's some loophole and/or malicious compliance possible.

Re: BMW Is Showing Commercials on Their Car's Dash Screens as a Treat

#103
post #25

Is there a cookie and gdpr consent bar at the beginning? In-car adblockers would be nice.

I don't have a car like like that but I heard there's a terms and conditions screen in all internet-connected cars and that the sell agent immediately confirms all checkboxes while getting the car out for the buyer.

Re: BMW Is Showing Commercials on Their Car's Dash Screens as a Treat

#104
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla is leveling this criticism? How about leading by example? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15940144 Thanks to altairprime for mentioning it first: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49137765

Mozilla is right to level criticism, regardless of hypocrisy. The internal debate around the Mr. Robot events was even more fiery than the public reaction, and while the Corporation has busily continued enshittifying, that does not excuse dismissing the Foundation’s critique of auto manufacturers. You’re not only confusing two entirely separate business entities that are formally operated apart from each other, that…

I wasn't saying that this invalidates the objection. I was (very clearly) asking them to lead by example. Regardless of the legal structure, the non-profit should still be calling the shots, and should still be vetoing efforts like the Mr. Robot tie-in (which their reps agree with, if you follow the story).

The reason I think the hypocrisy is interesting is that (as I've said before[1]) the contrast should be a source of insight, and it's right to expect a organization concerned about the public to use said insight. Here, the insight is:

"Okay, you're ostensibly non-profit and pro-user and yet you still forced ads on the user. You already got the lecture on it being bad and supposedly agree with it, so what happened? What would have aligned your incentives, and how can that be applied more generally?"

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27121059

Re: BMW Is Showing Commercials on Their Car's Dash Screens as a Treat

#105
post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla is right to level criticism, regardless of hypocrisy. The internal debate around the Mr. Robot events was even more fiery than the public reaction, and while the Corporation has busily continued enshittifying, that does not excuse dismissing the Foundation’s critique of auto manufacturers. You’re not only confusing two entirely separate business entities that are formally operated apart from each other, that…

I wasn't saying that this invalidates the objection. I was (very clearly) asking them to lead by example. Regardless of the legal structure, the non-profit should still be calling the shots, and should still be vetoing efforts like the Mr. Robot tie-in (which their reps agree with, if you follow the story). The reason I think the hypocrisy is interesting is that (as I've said before[1]) the contrast should be a sourc…

> the non-profit should still be calling the shots

I truly wish this were the case sometimes. Perhaps things would have gone differently for us if it had been. One can dream. Maybe someday they’ll do it, anyways.

Re: BMW Is Showing Commercials on Their Car's Dash Screens as a Treat

#106
post #30

Every car given enough time will have ads. Just like every proprietary software will become enshittified. It should be obvious by now that the stock ticker must go up and to do that you have to squeeze your customers. And if they have already bought the car, they have no recourse. The only solution I see is open-source but for cars, that’s a long ways out.

I have always been worried about self driving cars (even privately owned) being ad platforms. Guess we are getting there faster! Slate auto is not open source but at least they have no screens and I believe no driver tracking.

> at least they have no screens

IIRC their dash is just a screen. No actual dials or gauges unfortunately. :(

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