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Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by zaik »

michaelt wrote: post #68
zaik wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered making OSM itself the submission mechanism? This could be as simple as having a static guide on how to add bookcases to OSM. Your app could also act as an OSM editor specifically for bookcases (not a general one).

Presumably they hope to provide richer data (i.e. photograph of the library) that OSM isn't interested in.

OSM is interested in pictures, even of bookcases:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:image

The only difficulty is data than can not be easily represented in key=value pairs, such as timetables for buses. But even this can be resolved by adding external references.

Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by inigyou »

jasonkester wrote: post #52

I run a website that's in a similar situation, and it sounds like the author is close to the correct solution, but needs to take things one step further: There needs to be a Single Point of Truth, and it should not be your little website. BigCentralThing should be the official database that knows about where all the Whatevers are. Your little Whatever Locator site should only ever _pull_ from them. Need a new Whateve…

This way you get less contributions.

Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by xtiansimon »

jasonkester wrote: post #52

I run a website that's in a similar situation, and it sounds like the author is close to the correct solution, but needs to take things one step further: There needs to be a Single Point of Truth, and it should not be your little website. BigCentralThing should be the official database that knows about where all the Whatevers are. Your little Whatever Locator site should only ever _pull_ from them. Need a new Whateve…

Curious. You’re curating from the single point of truth (spot). You direct new additions for your site over to spot. How does a submission get into your subset?

Does the submitter add to spot and then shoot you a message to pull by some unique id (author, submitter)? If you’re curating from their database, then spot doesn’t have the schema features to resolve to your subset by filtering alone, right?

Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

Aurornis wrote: post #3

In summary: Because OSM requires work and care to be put into the data submission plan, which isn’t worth it. A project like OSM would be bombarded with spam and junk submissions if it didn’t have these barriers to submission. Understandable.

I get this perspective. But I also find the standards to be onerous. They were honestly fine until this one:

> Contact the relevant local communities affected by the contributions

Do I literally have to do new local community outreach every little town one of my bookcases shows up in? Ridiculous if so

Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by Doctor_Fegg »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #75
Aurornis wrote: post #3

In summary: Because OSM requires work and care to be put into the data submission plan, which isn’t worth it. A project like OSM would be bombarded with spam and junk submissions if it didn’t have these barriers to submission. Understandable.

I get this perspective. But I also find the standards to be onerous. They were honestly fine until this one: > Contact the relevant local communities affected by the contributions Do I literally have to do new local community outreach every little town one of my bookcases shows up in? Ridiculous if so

Generally this means “national” and the sub-board on the OSM discussion forum.

Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #76
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get this perspective. But I also find the standards to be onerous. They were honestly fine until this one: > Contact the relevant local communities affected by the contributions Do I literally have to do new local community outreach every little town one of my bookcases shows up in? Ridiculous if so

Generally this means “national” and the sub-board on the OSM discussion forum.

Okay, that’s slightly more reasonable it means if I’m going to be rolling stuff back into OSM in a new country I should at least have a quick chat and ensure what I’m doing abides by that country’s regulations etc like South Korea has some notorious law around data residency

Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by andreagrandi »

zaik wrote: post #67
andreagrandi wrote: post #55

Hello folks, author of Book Corners here. I just made the whole libraries db available for download (it's OBDL licensed). It's available from every users dashboard (it's a ~2 MB compressed GeoJSON file). It includes both libraries orignally imported from OSM and additional libraries added by users. While I still think the whole OSM process to submit back is a bit too much for the time I have available (but I still un…

Have you considered making OSM itself the submission mechanism? This could be as simple as having a static guide on how to add bookcases to OSM. Your app could also act as an OSM editor specifically for bookcases (not a general one).

I haven't. That would be a completely different app which I'm not interested in working on, I'm afraid.

Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by kelnos »

boredatoms wrote: post #17
zx8080 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can make an OSM account, go to the website, click, add a thing, hit submit, done. Someone will review it. I will share an unpopular opinion: thil will only make a freeworkforce for those projects who profit from using OSM. And the OSM has surprisingly unreliable data quality for walking around even in the popular tourist places like Tokyo or Kyoto, or New York. I've tried, and it's so worse than GMaps (or Bing)…

> No work hours of Starbucks, no local dining cafe, no menu contributions. This moves the goal posts of OSM

How so? They have a way of storing that specific information, so why shouldn't we (in part) judge it by the completeness of the information they allow people to store?

Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by namibj »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #58
PetitPrince wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you describing what Mapillary is doing ? It's a crowdsourced street level imagery provider (owned by Facebook since 2020, but still contributing to OSM), but they do auto-detection of feature (you can see that in the online OSM editor: Map Data > Photo Overlays > Mapillary > Map Features). I vaguely remember a blog post about doing photogrammetry out of their images, but I'm not entirely sure about it.

I was talking about photogrammetry, preferably with 2 global shutter synchronous image sensors, attached to the ends of say a 1 m pole.

Don't need global shutter just use a bit more math and IMU data with frequency in excess of the frame rate.

Make it work with the recording capabilities of a good modern phone and handle the compute in non-real-time.

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