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Don't be a meat proxy

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Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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Post by binary0010 »

skinwill wrote: post #343

Woodworkers often will have a preference for their favorite tool. Once they become comfortable with that tool they will sometimes prefer to use it for things it wasn't designed. For me it was the band saw. When I needed to split a board, bandsaw. When I needed to cut a curve, bandsaw. Cut a horse figure? bandsaw! I once saw a woodworking television show that seemed to do everything on the table saw. Rip, make frames…

Whenever people compare ai to a one real world tool always surprises me tbh.

The only equivalent tool in wood working would be a robot that can build an entire table from scratch and you just sit there and tell it what to do and what kinda table you want and watch it autonomously build everything.

1 saw type is not really even remotely equivalent to what ai is to software.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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Post by sdiupIGPWEfh »

jasonkester wrote: post #61
eddythompson80 wrote: post #8

I deal with this all day long at work and it’s exhausting. People almost acting like no one has thought of it “I asked Claude what happened, and it spit out this 300 line response. Can you read it for me and see if it’s right?” What kills me is you might expect this from a busy high level manager that doesn’t really understand the technical details and they just point the AI to an error they got. They don’t know how…

I just can’t understand why this is not a fireable offense. Like, I can see getting a strong warning the first time somebody notices you do this, then if you persist you’d have to be let go. Just like anybody else who is clearly not doing their job. Why would you tolerate this sort of behavior at your company?

How can it be a fireable offense when it's actively encouraged and rewarded?

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Post by hasbot »

Expect to see more of this as people's writing skills atrophy. I have done this sometimes when the words aren't coming to me. But, yeah, it'd probably best not not bother with the comment if I can't come up with a coherent articulate comment myself.

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Post by layer8 »

miki123211 wrote: post #252

On one hand, I understand the frustration; and if I know I'm dealing with smart people who are pretty capable of Clauding themselves and who won't ask me if they can ask Claude, I would never do this. On the other... people really don't bother Googling or asking AI sometimes, and if the question doesn't require local context, that's a very appropriate response.

The appropriate response in that case is to tell them what to use, not to use it for them.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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Post by deathanatos »

All I can say is you're lucky that your meat proxies are still identifying themselves as such.

I've had people forward AI responses … sans "Claude said". I'm quite literally talking to Claude via proxy, and I've caught more than one person pulling this stunt. It's a nightmare of negative productivity, though. Just why? And invariably the kicker is they still want me to solve their problem, whatever that might be.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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Post by sysguest »

raynr wrote: post #368

I'm surprised this happens between workers within the same knowledge domain. If you're a software dev asking another software dev for an opinion on code, can't you just... talk shop? In my experience this sort of thing happens all the time when something has to cross between different knowledge domains and the sender doesn't apply their mind in order to co-operate on the issue at hand. In the pre-LLM past, the sender…

yeah similar thing happened to me

gov website changed, seems to have ditched buggy "new" data-collection features

said I couldn't find the menus even after logging in...

shares screenshot and 'expected menu paths' to get there, says "it's simple, look! claude says look there"

repeatedly asked "have you actually checked?" but... reply was "listen, I'm doing a big favor to you..."

...fking crazy...

some people are treating LLMs as some god-send truths

now, since this is coming from the C-level, I can't expect anything good to happen here

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Post by embedding-shape »

mr_toad wrote: post #360
mort96 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've literally seen this in HN responses as well, so many times. What the hell is the point of human interaction if the "human" just forwards a chat bot's response

> What the hell is the point of human interaction if the "human" just forwards a chat bot's response Forwarding an AI response (or any canned response) sends the message that they don’t want to interact with you. That could be intentional.

I think you're overthinking it. People generally want to be helpful, and do actions they think are "useful" so most likely; these people think they're actually being helpful and useful when they do things like that. Similarly to "no one thinks they're evil" I suppose.

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Post by deathanatos »

chii wrote: post #309
plutokras wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the recent wave of posts about Claude rewriting entire codebases from Zig/Electron to Rust/Swift, I can't help but question the prompter's actual confidence in the final result. Gaining a thorough understanding of the generated output still demands an enormous amount of effort. I suspect the reality is that most people just chain a few review agents together, and if they output "LGTM", the code gets committed an…

> The foundational knowledge is lost, meaning that even if we do look at the code, we won't understand it anyway. but this is similar to a lot of other technical fields that have width and depth. People would not understand assembly any more and blindly trust the output of the compiler. People now can only design a part of a CPU, and not the entirety. Chip manufacturing is so complicated that there's probably no sing…

> Chip manufacturing is so complicated that there's probably no single person who could understand the entire process, from end to end.

There are YouTube videos of a guy doing chip fabrication in his clean room shed. Just as I understand the assembly output of my compiler (… and no, I don't work in a low level language), he understands chip fabrication end to end.

CS is not that wide, not yet. No, one cannot know every facet of the field, but one can know enough about the facets one is in contact with that they're not "here be dragons" on the map. All the way down to the hardware.

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Post by jslakro »

afisxisto wrote: post #335

It's our absolute obligation to make sure "meat proxy" sticks as hard as "vibe coding" did. It's too good not to.

That is problematic, even if the intention is to be ironic and to critize a recently witnessed practice, this only will make leave everything human out of the conversation
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