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The Shape of Things to Come

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Re: The Shape of Things to Come

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Post by tosh »

sdoering wrote: post #29
tosh wrote: post #5

nb: current models (e.g. GPT 5.6 Sol) are very good at long horizon tasks they no longer need crutches or rube goldberg machines to keep them going minimal agent harness is just a loop that loops until no more tool calls are coming GPT 5.6 Sol continues to drive the loop until the task is done or it decides that it wants to present the user with information at that point it is probably good to not automatically conti…

In my daily work, I found expeciall terra and sol now stopping every few rounds again, telling me the tak is done. I even had them create a detailled plan - and told them to finish "end to end" - and they appruptly stop after the plan. Because they interpret this as finished. Even if the DOD is clearly not "finish the plan". The new models are shite (pardon my French), when it comes to long running tasks and I find m…

Interesting, that is not my experience (but I'm mainly using them for reading and writing code right now)

but I don't doubt that you're seeing this behaviour, ty for sharing!

Re: The Shape of Things to Come

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Post by shAIster »

"On the side I do occasional six-figure gigs where I fly to companies and teach them my techniques, and that helps with my (considerable) token bills."

Here is the important part. The cult pays for the narrative.

I wondered why previously sane bloggers succumb to AI psychosis. Money and ambition is always involved to some degree.

Re: The Shape of Things to Come

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Post by alansaber »

ramoz wrote: post #8
xnorswap wrote: post #3

I don't like using the term "AI psychosis" because it originally meant a narrow definition resulting in genuine psychosis and acute mental health trauma, but seems to have widened to anyone falling down a much wider trapdoor of AI engagement. But I read, or at least attempt to read, something like this, and I can't help but marvel at the capture that AI agents seem to have on some individuals. I expected Yegge to, at…

I mean, the dude uses a lot of jargon, ego, and mythologizes stuff but the article comes down to a pretty simple practice: Run a big task queue, have a smart model manage a cheap model on every ticket, set up a cron for models to automatically work off of events, stop gating merges on builds, and expect to spend a quarter of your time maintaining the machinery (all of it currently subsidized by many $200 accounts).

Yep. Though hard to write a compelling blog by being to-the-point without data

Re: The Shape of Things to Come

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Post by nautilus12 »

xnorswap wrote: post #3

I don't like using the term "AI psychosis" because it originally meant a narrow definition resulting in genuine psychosis and acute mental health trauma, but seems to have widened to anyone falling down a much wider trapdoor of AI engagement. But I read, or at least attempt to read, something like this, and I can't help but marvel at the capture that AI agents seem to have on some individuals. I expected Yegge to, at…

I call it "yegge sweats"

Re: The Shape of Things to Come

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Post by jwr »

I hear so much about people running into token limits and using bajillions of tokens. Am I doing something wrong? I'm finding it hard to run into the limits of a Claude Max (20x) account. Well, perhaps the 50% Fable limit is something I have to be aware of, but otherwise this more than I can consume. I am the limiting factor: my capability to review code and design documents.

I use it to develop a large MRP-style app. This is as complex as things get.

Is it Clojure that makes things so efficient? My work style (lots of design documents)? I really don't know.

Do people skip the "review the code and read the documents" step perhaps?

Re: The Shape of Things to Come

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Post by themgt »

Gas Town was intended to be reusable, but I only ever wound up using it to build itself. Gas Town fell apart at the seams with Opus 4.7. Up through 4.6 it was working brilliantly. With 4.7 we saw the introduction of the "just two more things" tic, which prevented Opus from ever converging on being ready to do real work—it always wanted to fiddle with Gas Town itself. The Opus tic never went away, so Gas Town effectively burned down. It had other problems, too, but 4.7 was the final straw.

"True Gas Town has never been tried" etc.

With Wheelhouse, I have reinvented something strangely Gas Town shaped from first principles, but it's running many more agents, and they are far more organized. This has shown me the shape of the changes coming next year. I'm operating about 12 months in the future. I managed this only through luck: for the past 18 months I have had the magic trio of time, money, and energy, and I've been spending it all on figuring this stuff out. And I am grateful for the privilege.

I'm still half-convinced this is Yegge's version of Andy Kaufman's professional wrestling career, "Gas Wheeltown was an 18 month long sociological experiment conducted by Thiel University. The study is now complete, thank you for your time."

Re: The Shape of Things to Come

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Post by deadlast2 »

xnorswap wrote: post #3

I don't like using the term "AI psychosis" because it originally meant a narrow definition resulting in genuine psychosis and acute mental health trauma, but seems to have widened to anyone falling down a much wider trapdoor of AI engagement. But I read, or at least attempt to read, something like this, and I can't help but marvel at the capture that AI agents seem to have on some individuals. I expected Yegge to, at…

MOE and COT or github co-pilot. I think agents can marginally improve the performance of AI.

Re: The Shape of Things to Come

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Post by Michelangelo11 »

Wft. I have a piddly little Claude Pro account, I use it every day, and Opus 5 and Fable (judiciously used) are very helpful and useful in my work and personal life. I am happy with my setup. Then I read this, and I imagine it's what primitive farming societies felt like when introduced to combine harvesters, high-clearance sprayers and mega tractors.

I am happy on my farm. I like the carrots I plant by hand. I do not wish to control farming equipment worth a small fortune to till acres of land every day.

(P.S. Still not sure if TFA is satire! Obviously, this assumes that it's not.)

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