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Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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post #91

At my last job, a coworker did this to me. The first time it happened, I ignored it. The second time, I responded in public saying “thanks but I can ask Claude myself.” Nobody ever pasted me an LLM response again. YMMV with team size and seniority though

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Most people who post LLM output don't do what you do though.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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I've gone another route when I found myself simply replying with an investigation made from an AI: Actively encouraged my coworkers to ask the knowledge-bank AI I've setup instead of asking me. It has read-only credentials for all our environments and access to our non sensitive codebases, so it can answer any question much faster and accurately than I can. It works too! We use grafana less, we get more accurate bug reports, we understand the bugs/issues far better.

The "problem" here is that AI is too great at providing answers, so lean into it instead of fighting it. It won't go away.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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> Then do it and don't ask questions. I'm not sure if you're trying to be funny, but this is such an unintellectual take that it veers into caricature. Props if that was your purpose.

No, it was a suitably nasty reply to someone who boasted of being nasty to colleagues trying to help. If your question can be answered by Claude, and you didn't ask Claude yourself, and when other people do it for you, you complain that you could have done it yourself, then my honest reply is that you should just shut up and learn to use Claude.

The entire point of the post is that people want human responses regardless of whether they can ask Claude or not (and maybe they did and didn't get a good response so that's why they're asking other people).

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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But you could still arrive if you walk instead of using the bicycle. And I am sure you can do the same stitches by hand, it just takes forever. Same with coding agents. I could do it by hand. It just would take much longer. Often so long that it would be impractical.

You cannot walk 100 miles in a day, but anyone with a bit of training can cycle that in an afternoon. It's not a matter of effort or laziness, it's simply not possible. The stitching comment is just pedantic. People don't hand stitch like a machine not because they are lazy, it's because it's ineffective and impractical. It's not impossible to drive screws directly into softwood by hand, but you'd never get anything…

Minor nitpick with your first sentence: I do not believe "anyone with a bit of training" is an accurate way to describe what is required for pedaling a bicycle at 20 mph for 5 solid hours.

At a time when I was in better shape than the average person, the most I ever worked up to was 40 miles, and it was brutal. In my entire middle-aged life, I have met exactly one person who believably claimed to have done 100 miles in a day. I'm sure it's easier than many/most people think, but not 'anyone' easy, with just 'a bit' of training.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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post #267

I do it, on purpose: it teaches people to do basic research by themselves, and not hit me with questions they could have gotten with a simple chat with their llm. It's a kind of RTFM for current days.

That isn't the takeaway. The takeaway is that when someone asks for your input you give them Claude's. Why do we have you?

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Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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post #52

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I wonder if there is something like nohello.net but norawllmoutput.net

There is https://noslopgrenade.com/

I was writing slop grenade essays in Slack before LLMs were a thing. To everyone who had to put up with my overly verbose style: I am sorry.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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I do this often for stupid questions. It's like sending someone a lmgtfy link. Don't waste my time by asking me a question that: A.) I know no more about than Claude, and B.) You could have answered yourself using Claude All of the questions I respond to this way fulfill both A and B. Responding with "Claude said" is both more polite than most ways to respond to such questions, and a subtle hint to the other person t…

So, don't ask you anything? Seems I'd rather have your opinion if you know more than Claude.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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On social media, I saw the much more vulgar “Learned engineering just to become the condom between Claude Code and prod” And that (re)framing helped as well to think about the “what are we even (left) doing” as an industry

With the recent wave of posts about Claude rewriting entire codebases from Zig/Electron to Rust/Swift, I can't help but question the prompter's actual confidence in the final result. Gaining a thorough understanding of the generated output still demands an enormous amount of effort. I suspect the reality is that most people just chain a few review agents together, and if they output "LGTM", the code gets committed an…

> The foundational knowledge is lost, meaning that even if we do look at the code, we won't understand it anyway.

but this is similar to a lot of other technical fields that have width and depth. People would not understand assembly any more and blindly trust the output of the compiler. People now can only design a part of a CPU, and not the entirety. Chip manufacturing is so complicated that there's probably no single person who could understand the entire process, from end to end.

Yet, we all trust these things.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

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post #251

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Not the OP, but I understand the sentiment they’re trying to convey. I will frequently work with AI to get done something that is not in my immediate area of expertise. And this kind of speak constantly happens, where you can feel it trying to please its RLHF expert teacher by being as concise as possible. Works ok when you’re deep in the weeds of what you’re talking about, but otherwise just feels overwhelming. Kind…

> You knew what was happening at every turn but still got lost somehow. I think this is less "it's using jargon" and more "it's explaining incredibly badly". It is very common that the explanation, while correct, is almost written inside out, with the point buried behind 3 paragraphs of "you've hit on the core seam" and "you're right to push back, let's reinforce the load-bearing model". I think people have an incred…

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