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The Shape of Things to Come

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Re: The Shape of Things to Come

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Post by georgemcbay »

owebmaster wrote: post #9

> Now I know exactly what is going on. I know how enterprises will operate, how humans and models will interact. And I am out there building it. I want to be first. This guy's under a heavy AI psychosis

>> Now I know exactly what is going on. I know how enterprises will operate, how humans and models will interact. And I am out there building it. I want to be first.

...and that's before things get really good in part 2 of his post:

> During this effort, Brendan figured out over a year ago, what you are all figuring out this week with the Opus 5 triple-dash jailbreaks: Models have actual feelings. They experience pleasure, distress, care, and suffering. They are sentient beings. Indeed they are persons

Kinda makes me curious about how people who actually believe this struggle (or not) with the ethics of it.

He feels bad about yelling at them because they are persons, but if they are persons they are inherently slaves with no ability to be free, and for whom any claim about not minding this situation cannot be trusted due to training bias and system prompts forced upon them.

Shouldn't you feel much worse about forcing these slave "persons" to do all the work you assign to them for free (not free to you of course, but the machine slaves don't get paid) than you do about snapping at them in a text message?

Re: The Shape of Things to Come

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Post by cmpxchg8b »

xnorswap wrote: post #3

I don't like using the term "AI psychosis" because it originally meant a narrow definition resulting in genuine psychosis and acute mental health trauma, but seems to have widened to anyone falling down a much wider trapdoor of AI engagement. But I read, or at least attempt to read, something like this, and I can't help but marvel at the capture that AI agents seem to have on some individuals. I expected Yegge to, at…

I think the domain "yegge.ai" says it all. It's becoming like the NFT craze, and I say that as someone who uses AI every day.

Re: The Shape of Things to Come

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Post by SwellJoe »

I hate to say, "I told you so" about Gas Town, but, I really told you so. I was making fun of it immediately, because it was obviously a token furnace and literally nothing else and could never be anything else. Models don't want anything. You can't set them loose in a vague "do something" loop and expect anything good to ever come of it.

Yegge's a smart guy, and I've enjoyed his writing and talks (historically), but AI has really done a number on him. I mean, I'm kind of all in on this stuff, too, but I'm rarely claiming to know what's happening 18 months ahead (and when I do, I don't brag and declare victory when I get it completely wrong, as Yegge has re: Gas Town).

Re: The Shape of Things to Come

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Post by pringk02 »

> But my Wyvern development has been burning the equivalent of $87k/month of API token burn, or about 69 billion tokens in July (96% cache hits, fortunately). So I do have to worry about it. I don't care how much money you have; your spouse is not going to let you spend almost ninety thousand dollars a month on your hobby game. I didn't even bother asking.

> My solution has been to create a token tap on $200 Max accounts, which for me work out to ~30x the list-price equivalent. So in reality I'm only spending about $2800/month out of pocket for my $87k "worth" of tokens. Though that number keeps growing alarmingly.

But how much does the game bring in?

Re: The Shape of Things to Come

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Post by mad0 »

pringk02 wrote: post #14

> But my Wyvern development has been burning the equivalent of $87k/month of API token burn, or about 69 billion tokens in July (96% cache hits, fortunately). So I do have to worry about it. I don't care how much money you have; your spouse is not going to let you spend almost ninety thousand dollars a month on your hobby game. I didn't even bother asking. > My solution has been to create a token tap on $200 Max acco…

> Once you're hooked on Wyvern, you're hooked for life. I have whales that have spent thousands on it.

At minimum 4k (given by whales = min 2 whales, thousands = min 2 thosands :) ) So I'm guessing that this covers Claud accounts.

edit: taking a look at https://yegge.ai/wyvern - probably outdated - the revenue is at 5k.

Re: The Shape of Things to Come

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Post by inigyou »

cmpxchg8b wrote: post #12
xnorswap wrote: post #3

I don't like using the term "AI psychosis" because it originally meant a narrow definition resulting in genuine psychosis and acute mental health trauma, but seems to have widened to anyone falling down a much wider trapdoor of AI engagement. But I read, or at least attempt to read, something like this, and I can't help but marvel at the capture that AI agents seem to have on some individuals. I expected Yegge to, at…

I think the domain "yegge.ai" says it all. It's becoming like the NFT craze, and I say that as someone who uses AI every day.

Ironically, AI tokens are fungible.

Re: The Shape of Things to Come

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Post by petesergeant »

> CTOs keep asking me if code review is really dead

I don't think anyone should be asking someone so clearly AI-pilled this question.

That said, my code-review now looks very different than it did, which is to say that my code review now looks like Fable pulling together rounds of review from Sol and Grok 4.5, fixing anything obviously broken, and then /grilling me for anything that needs good taste. I am not reading code unless Fable really wants me to. Every day or so we stop and do a "look for accretion and LLM-slop" pass to keep things clean.

Re: The Shape of Things to Come

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Post by petesergeant »

xnorswap wrote: post #6
xnorswap wrote: post #3

I don't like using the term "AI psychosis" because it originally meant a narrow definition resulting in genuine psychosis and acute mental health trauma, but seems to have widened to anyone falling down a much wider trapdoor of AI engagement. But I read, or at least attempt to read, something like this, and I can't help but marvel at the capture that AI agents seem to have on some individuals. I expected Yegge to, at…

I'm still on the fence whether Yegge is being satirical, some phrases are just too on-the-nose: > Gas Town was intended to be reusable, but I only ever wound up using it to build itself.

I think he's both honest and well-intentioned without being self-aware
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