Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Don't be a meat proxy

gruhn.me

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

231–240 of 786 posts

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

#231

Post by Cthulhu_ »

wannabe44 wrote: post #75
c048 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's even more worrying is that I've heared plenty of people defend it as, "Younger generations are just intelligent in different ways compared to older generations." I'm halfway through my 30's and this downturn started with my generation, halfway through the 80's. I hope I'm missing something, because I still need to see a benefit for lower attention spans, lower comprehensive reading skills and lower critical th…

To add, less articulate and somewhat overtly anti-intellectual. Why even learn something when you can ask the slot machine?

The anti-intellectualism is so weird to me, it feels like people get overly defensive and angry (a secondary emotional response to shame) when confronted with their own lack of knowledge / intelligence or when asked or challenged to use their own brain.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

#232

Post by chii »

ffsm8 wrote: post #56
eddythompson80 wrote: post #8

I deal with this all day long at work and it’s exhausting. People almost acting like no one has thought of it “I asked Claude what happened, and it spit out this 300 line response. Can you read it for me and see if it’s right?” What kills me is you might expect this from a busy high level manager that doesn’t really understand the technical details and they just point the AI to an error they got. They don’t know how…

At my dayjob there is a person spearheading ai across the enterprise. They generated lots of documentation across the whole stack and now makes all PO/BAs read it if it's correct. So not just 300 lines - he unironically generated thousands of lines of "documentation" and is now making hundreds of people review it for him Complete brainrot Au psychosis is getting seriously outrageous at this point Thankfully I'm a dev…

He's basically asking other people to do his job for him, because he knows that the AI doesn't truly do it well enough.

I would say to him that if he wants me to do his job, he needs to pay me his salary.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

#234

Post by Cthulhu_ »

voidUpdate wrote: post #88
64e23275635e wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's already happening. IQ is already stagnating or even going down

IQ is calibrated so that the average IQ is 100. If the average IQ is going down, something has gone very wrong somewhere

IQ is a measure that tests how well people can do IQ tests, I don't think it's an objective measure at all.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

#235

Post by ectoloph »

Friends don't make friends read slop.

If I have something Claude wrote then I will offer the LLM output. But I generally prefer to at least give the option.

I have seen conversations where it has boiled down to an exchange of A's Claude responding to B's Claude with a retort and fixes from A's.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

#236

Post by vultour »

nojs wrote: post #82

The problem is a lot of people ask questions that claude et al can objectively answer way better than me, and they didn’t think to ask. Should I a) give a worse answer b) ask claude and launder it as a meat proxy or c) tell them to ask claude? b and c piss people off but often get them to a better answer.

What happened to "I don't know" or "I'm not sure"? Why do you need to direct someone to ask an LLM? If somebody asks me a question I don't know the answer to I'm not sending them anywhere, I tell them I don't know.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

#237

Post by Applejinx »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #180
throw310822 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

If I've asked *you* a question, it's because I want to know what *you* think. I don't want to know what Claude thinks. If you don't know the answer, say that. "I don't know" is a perfectly good answer, albeit one which I might follow up with something like "Well why don't you know? This is literally your job to know", which is kind of what 90% of my emails at work for the past three weeks have been.

"I don't know" is an extraordinarily powerful answer, but maybe it's getting ruined. I'm not sure it can be entirely ruined.

In a human interaction, when used confidently, it means 'I'm so authoritative I don't even have to front. I don't have to do the slightest thing to impress you. My foundation is so secure it doesn't need defending or justification at all". Also, 'that turns out to be outside the massive quantity of stuff I do know, how interesting'. Think Holmes, perhaps erroneously saying 'Now that I know that, I shall do my best to forget it' on the grounds that his work wasn't helped by the fact.

It could get ruined by an AI normalization of the idea that 'everybody should know literally everything, because asking an AI is the same as knowing and then you know the thing, having been told it'. Plenty of money is now marketing this position to the world, and so it's possible 'I don't know' will become ruined, a shameful response.

I feel like that may not happen in practice, though, because that pro-AI position is what used to be called 'pants-on-head R-slur' and I feel like the people who buy into this extreme position will make SUCH a disaster of things that it will tend to make that position, instead, the shameful response… and 'I don't know' will remain a valid signaling mechanism to convey 'I'm so authoritative I don't even have to front', all the more if it's more of a shocking response to get.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

#238

Post by ClikeX »

eddythompson80 wrote: post #8

I deal with this all day long at work and it’s exhausting. People almost acting like no one has thought of it “I asked Claude what happened, and it spit out this 300 line response. Can you read it for me and see if it’s right?” What kills me is you might expect this from a busy high level manager that doesn’t really understand the technical details and they just point the AI to an error they got. They don’t know how…

This one kills me. So many forums, and Reddit in particular, now have people just chiming into topics with ChatGPT answers. It gives them the illusion of being helpful, while they don't really have the knowledge of the subject. But people go to communities to converse with others in the field, and this makes it feel dead internet.

I'm glad most of my colleagues are still doing things themselves. But honestly, if all you can do is tell me what Claude told you and you didn't even bother to read it yourself. Then I might as well just cut you off the team and go use Claude directly.

Re: Don't be a meat proxy

#240

Post by Applejinx »

jpnc wrote: post #2

If you create a machine for laziness you're going to get lazy people. It's only going to get worse I'm afraid. Do you guys think we're going to see a de-evolution of human beings due to technology?

Alcohol has existed for zillions of years, but not literally every person is a useless drunkard.

You could consider it a class of predator on people who have vulnerabilities that can give way to dependence on the LLM and an inability to function. It could be seen in that light. The underlying problem is being described in that light.

Post reply on HN