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Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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This smells like Soviet Union. The next step will be a requirement to confirm your identity - trying to justify it with a wicked manipulation tactic "we need to know your are not lying when selecting your age". No one asked for it to begin with. Android is normalising totalitarianism and mass spying on citizens, one step at a time. This is a very bad feature and a very bad development.

Yes, checking the age of people when accessing and buying things (like alcohol at 21) is absolutely a Soviet Union invention. Modern democracies like USA would never check for age of people when entering clubs or buying drugs. Do you listen to yourself?

Good job on putting words in my mouth, tovarishch.

Of course every Android is like a crack house. Can't even get to the home screen without my phone offering me sex, drugs and alcohol.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

#542

I find myself stuck on the fence with age checks. Companies have show that they are incapable or unwilling to address the problems they cause. And market forces are not working to correct things. It’s also pretty obvious that saying “parent should take responsibility” is also not working. Just observe the world around you to know it’s a non starter. This is where regulation is supposed to come in. At the same time, c…

> This is where regulation is supposed to come in.

And who do you think pushes/pais for regulations ? The same companies which are "regulated".

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

#543
post #390

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Not entirely sure what you are trying to say, other than you don't really care as long as you are not the one who is marginalised. Anyway it's generally a tradeoff: is it worth doing it? By adding very strict age verification systems and marginalising people, do we make society globally better or not? Will those age verification systems work to prevent underage people from accessing the stuff we don't want them to ac…

Since my old reply was flagged, this now seems like coordinated trolling. I really doubt you are genuinely incapable of understanding what “regulated electricity utilities” or “expected to provide service” means.

A whole this voting / flagging system here is basically lottery.

I can't write more than 5 posts per day and I can have negative karma because people doing more downvoting than upvoting.

So there is no point to wonder, if it's coordinated trolling or not.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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Parents should take responsibility and not let their children smoke, and we still banned selling cigarets to children. Just because something should be some way, doesn't mean as a society we shouldn't do anything about it. In any case, the story with parents and addictive devices is even harder for parents than e.g. cigarets. For example, a LOT of schools in the UK think that it's good to give childrens ipads to stud…

That's a false equivalence. The only thing we should be doing is tackling addictive algorithms for everyone, and providing purely optional parental controls that are disabled by default.

> The only thing we should be doing is tackling addictive algorithms for everyone

Oh so you agree with me, that it should be banned, like cigarettes. Thank you.

Why'd you call it "false equivalence" then? Why not call it "a really good equivalence"?

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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> Not as described. There's no location info in that path Ip address and general time of day will tell you a lot about location. Not street level, but country or state level. > UUID passing the age check does not need to be re-signed because I've not given any consideration to expiry. So as soon as any one uuid is leaked, it becomes plausible for any child to bypass the gates until the uuid is manually revoked?

> So as soon as any one uuid is leaked, it becomes plausible for any child to bypass the gates until the uuid is manually revoked? How? Phones are already locked down pretty hard. Anything like this would need to be in something secured at the OS level just to stop signatures getting leaked between apps. If you're thinking "kid roots device, replaces OS entirely", that's not the problem of the manufacturer of the OS…

> Phones are already locked down pretty hard.

Which is not how it should be done at all. Outsourcing your security to a big brother leads to all kinds of problems like planned obsolescence and spying.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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post #237

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Are you a parent? I have personally used the parental controls on Android, iOS and ChromeOS and to be honest they are terrible. Issues with syncing changes, the terrible UX for parental access control (iOS...), issues around audit/access logs, issues around prompting the parent for access. I am honestly shocked that Apple known for its polished experience hasn't been forced by angry parents. My daughter's school actu…

> my daughter was caught playing web games in class Hilarious to me. The biggest game of whack-a-mole ever. I would love to know if this lockdown was successful (and if so, how it worked). In my city, there is a district that is so “locked down” that the images from Wikipedia don’t even load. But guess what? Kids still find ways to play games.

It hasn't completely but she was watching TikTok style mindrot youtube videos so that least that is blocked now.

We blocked a bunch of domains on her laptop so it is just very painful for her now.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

#547
post #238

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> So as soon as any one uuid is leaked, it becomes plausible for any child to bypass the gates until the uuid is manually revoked? How? Phones are already locked down pretty hard. Anything like this would need to be in something secured at the OS level just to stop signatures getting leaked between apps. If you're thinking "kid roots device, replaces OS entirely", that's not the problem of the manufacturer of the OS…

> Phones are already locked down pretty hard. Which is not how it should be done at all. Outsourcing your security to a big brother leads to all kinds of problems like planned obsolescence and spying.

> Outsourcing your security to a big brother leads to all kinds of problems like planned obsolescence and spying.

But, won't somebody think of the children!

_sigh_.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

#548
post #24

I find myself stuck on the fence with age checks. Companies have show that they are incapable or unwilling to address the problems they cause. And market forces are not working to correct things. It’s also pretty obvious that saying “parent should take responsibility” is also not working. Just observe the world around you to know it’s a non starter. This is where regulation is supposed to come in. At the same time, c…

I don't want the market solving this. If we are going to do age checks it should be based on public key cryptography, be open source, and handled by the government. You verify with the government (or don't since they already know your age), you get some form of cryptographic attestation, present said attestation to websites/apps. I'm not a fan of age verification in the first place, but I am extremely not a fan of ra…

I don't want anyone to solving this.

This is problem generated by govt, and they just want to solve it with "children safety" as excuse. This is parents problem, not my problem.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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> Phones are already locked down pretty hard. Which is not how it should be done at all. Outsourcing your security to a big brother leads to all kinds of problems like planned obsolescence and spying.

> Outsourcing your security to a big brother leads to all kinds of problems like planned obsolescence and spying. But, won't somebody think of the children! _sigh_.

This is thinking of the adults though.
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