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'Crush this lady': how eBay harassment campaign led to $56M payout

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Post by aucisson_masque »

Arainach wrote: post #32
aucisson_masque wrote: post #23

Side note but did anyone here tried to sell stuff on eBay ? Their pricing are insane, they take a cut on your product price, but also on the delivery method and even on the taxes ! It amounts to about 13% of total price, including delivery and taxes. It looks absolutely insane to me, but some people seem to defend it. To put some perspective, here in France we have an extremely profitable competitor called Leboncoin,…

> It looks absolutely insane to me, but some people seem to defend it. Before that policy, you had a bunch of items listed for $1 + $60 "shipping" to dodge fees. I'll take the current structure over that.

That's interesting, at least it's a reason to put tax on delivery method.

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Post by N_Lens »

jrflowers wrote: post #106
alexpotato wrote: post #44

Scott Adams [0], who recently passed away, had a great line on human behavior (paraphrased): Whenever people are unsupervised and there is a chance for fraud or bad behavior and, due to the lack of supervision, they believe they won't be caught, you should ALWAYS assume that people will behave badly. For another example, the Google case where it was exposed how many nefarious activities they were up to around auction…

Scott Adams had some deeply bizarre opinions about human behavior/relationships. https://www.reddit.com/r/cursedcomments/comments/wqc1an/curs...

It's funny that you'll find rich commenters aligned with opinions like Adams' on HN. I guess either wealth makes you paranoid, or the other way around perhaps.

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Post by ssl-3 »

N_Lens wrote: post #112
jrflowers wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scott Adams had some deeply bizarre opinions about human behavior/relationships. https://www.reddit.com/r/cursedcomments/comments/wqc1an/curs...

It's funny that you'll find rich commenters aligned with opinions like Adams' on HN. I guess either wealth makes you paranoid, or the other way around perhaps.

You guys are rich?

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Post by asdff »

kube-system wrote: post #77
asdff wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stuff is still getting listed like that on ebay.

I use ebay heavily and I don't see it anymore, except for things that look like typos or people who clearly just don't know how to use ebay. There's no advantage to doing so because sorting/filtering includes shipping.

I still see it. Idk what the seller is thinking but I’m guessing they aren’t too smart.

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Post by kioleanu »

BobbyTables2 wrote: post #110
ebbi wrote: post #57

I just can't fathom how employees of a company would do all this because someone with a newsletter criticized the company often. I understand employees committing fraud for their own gain. I don't understand Directors and analysts doing this to someone, especially when senior execs weren't charged. Seems like there were a lot of cover ups going on.

There has to have been more going on, it sure doesn’t add up - unless Ebay was run by a group of cruel Kindergarteners.. At every place I’ve worked, the employees likely had worse thoughts, at least at times, than anything an outsider could publish about the company.

> unless Ebay was run by a group of cruel Kindergarteners

I’ve been in the corporate world long enough in my life to know that that is not out of the question

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ebbi wrote: post #57

I just can't fathom how employees of a company would do all this because someone with a newsletter criticized the company often. I understand employees committing fraud for their own gain. I don't understand Directors and analysts doing this to someone, especially when senior execs weren't charged. Seems like there were a lot of cover ups going on.

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Post by Barbing »

a4isms wrote: post #82
Barbing wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or generally, if any tech criminals now show nice consulting gigs on their LinkedIns and seem to have traction. Wonder if any Enron perps are doing well, or Bernie Madoff’s associates, or if Elizabeth Holmes or SBF had righthand men…

This is well before most HN readers' time, but Michael Milken, the "Junk Bond King," was handed a $600,000,000 fine and a ten-year prison sentance for insider trading and racketeering. He was also barred from reëntering the securities industry. When he was released from prison after serving less than two years, he became a "consultant" charging a flat $25 million fee for his services, which avoided the ban on working…

Oh lovely.

From his company’s Wiki page, one of the former employees:

> … later arrested after 1995 air rage incident

Other winners listed too but that’s the only guy who pooped on a plane.

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

ransom1538 wrote: post #91
siva7 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, i've worked long enough with senior mgmt to know that anything of interest for prosecution won't be written down, especially not on company devices. Those making the mistakes of writing things down are those actually prosecuted, the ranks and files.

Shady SR mgmt pro tips: 1) phones. In California, you get a lot of protection just calling the guy. Use this. Only call people in California. 2) never lie on an email (regarding money, asking for services, providing services) 3) never lie on a phone (regarding money, asking for services, providing services) 4) lying in person is fine 5) anything that MUST be written down must be deleted after read and have no trace b…

You cannot be giving opsec tips and then suggesting using some arbitrary 3rd part service (privnote) as something that leaves no trace.

For all we know it is a honeypot. For all we know, everything is a honeypot.

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Post by baranul »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #26
jimnotgym wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I really don't understand is why the security people who sent to jail didn't drop their boss in it in return for diminishing their role

There is a chance there wasn’t anything incriminating. The top guys kept conversations live or intimated they wanted something done; the lowers took the planning and execution upon themselves.

But it's mind-boggling that any subordinate couldn't understand that such levels of depravity and insanity could land them in legal trouble, and that's besides the ethical issue.

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Post by aitchnyu »

sandworm101 wrote: post #92
alexpotato wrote: post #44

Scott Adams [0], who recently passed away, had a great line on human behavior (paraphrased): Whenever people are unsupervised and there is a chance for fraud or bad behavior and, due to the lack of supervision, they believe they won't be caught, you should ALWAYS assume that people will behave badly. For another example, the Google case where it was exposed how many nefarious activities they were up to around auction…

>> "Whenever people are unsupervised and there is a chance for fraud or bad behavior.." Idle hands are the devil's workshop. / The devil makes work for idle hands. When the leave is too long, the soldier goes wrong.

There was a story about some gunmen who got into a swordfighting gang war while off duty. By Alexander Dumas.
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