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Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by xboxnolifes »

RugnirViking wrote: post #43
carlosjobim wrote: post #34

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Mindset is: 1. Can I benefit from it? A Yes -> Do it B No -> Don't do it Variable: What is the risk of getting caught and is it worth risking? Many or most people operate on this programming, AI or no AI.

> most people I'm aware that social trust in some places is lower than others (and that im lucky enough to live in a place with high social trust), but I really don't think this is true. Though ruthless optimisers do exist, my experience suggests the idea that most people do this is laughable. I'd guess 1% or thereabouts. I think most people are kinda bumbling along on autopilot trying to make people happy and avoid…

While I agree with your main point, I'm not sure what the article has to do with it. It's sounds more like a poll on how much debt or bills the responder currently has to deal with.

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by Brian_K_White »

dyauspitr wrote: post #62
kazinator wrote: post #22

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> they didn't explicitly forbid AI Yes they did; the contestants must be at least 18 years old and residents of Ohio. AI is neither. Would it be within contest rules if an 19-year-old resident of Ohio served as an artistic director, giving suggestions to a 12-year-old from Kentucky who does the actual work?

No AI is a tool. It’s like you saying they didn’t say you can’t use oil paint.

You can't drop ship creativity and still take credit for it.

Grubhub is also a tool. If you order a pizza, you didn't make a pizza "just using a different tool"

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by kazinator »

dyauspitr wrote: post #62
kazinator wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they didn't explicitly forbid AI Yes they did; the contestants must be at least 18 years old and residents of Ohio. AI is neither. Would it be within contest rules if an 19-year-old resident of Ohio served as an artistic director, giving suggestions to a 12-year-old from Kentucky who does the actual work?

No AI is a tool. It’s like you saying they didn’t say you can’t use oil paint.

You can't speak to oil paint in English and get a picture.

Until recently, the only such a "tool" used to be a human being.

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by Atheros »

RugnirViking wrote: post #26
_kulang wrote: post #11

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For whatever reason, the photo is point. People are only doing it for the photo and only doing the photo for the competition. I agree that we lost something, I just also think a majority of people don’t know what’s missing: they just put effort to make the photo, rather than to make the desk

I learned this lesson as a child, entering a painting competition handily to someone whose work was (in my opinion) not very good, but they had a much nicer camera, lighting, and a pleasant background. Though its often much, much more effort to have judges who are also experts in the relevant field and give them the time to inspect in person the things to be judged. I don't think competitions will ever escape this "s…

They hacked the hackathon. You didn't.

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by intended »

pkaeding wrote: post #125
DrewADesign wrote: post #96

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And photography is something where the image determines whether or not it’s art. If you are constructing an image using form, shape, light, subjects, tool selection, and all sorts of other factors to translate a 3D scene into a 2D image, revealing your particular perspective, then that is art, and pretty difficult at that. If you take a flat, objective, documentary picture of a painting, that’s not art. If you take a…

Is taping a banana to the wall art?

If this is what I think it’s referring to, then Yes. In the same way that a refutation of a previously stated position is part of an argument.

Repeating that refutation verbatim, while calling it your intellectual work does not actually make it so.

It shows, at best, your ability to remember things.

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by 1659447091 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #9

I think this is the actual image: https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i... Notably, the zipline is all wacky, and two piggies are #1, probably more things I didn't notice at a skim? I guess they didn't explicitly forbid AI, and it wasn't noticed until after the winner was selected, and now you can't "roll back"? It seems this was later added to the page: > [...] we recognize that the use of AI…

> Notably, the zipline is all wacky, and two piggies are #1, probably more things I didn't notice at a skim?

To nitpick, the Flags can't decide on if the US had 9 or 11 original colonies -- for celebrating "America's 250th birthday" the person that created it could have at least made sure the flag wasn't weird. Sheldon would be having a field day...

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by userbinator »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #47
kazinator wrote: post #22

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> they didn't explicitly forbid AI Yes they did; the contestants must be at least 18 years old and residents of Ohio. AI is neither. Would it be within contest rules if an 19-year-old resident of Ohio served as an artistic director, giving suggestions to a 12-year-old from Kentucky who does the actual work?

No they didn’t—from TFA: When the poster contest was originally formed in 2024, the use of AI was permitted if explained as a part of the application process. Since current US legal decisions indicate that genAI works are not copyrightable, this is troublesome for any organization that wants exclusive licensing for publicity. The State Fair would expect to incorporate their art winners into marketing, posters, and ex…

Not to mention that any Ai-entrant piece could be duplicated by any other entrant

With great difficulty, maybe. You'd need the exact model, prompt, seed, and hardware, and even then I believe there is some nondeterminism.

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by userbinator »

skybrian wrote: post #32
embedding-shape wrote: post #9

I think this is the actual image: https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i... Notably, the zipline is all wacky, and two piggies are #1, probably more things I didn't notice at a skim? I guess they didn't explicitly forbid AI, and it wasn't noticed until after the winner was selected, and now you can't "roll back"? It seems this was later added to the page: > [...] we recognize that the use of AI…

Huh, I thought I was reasonably good at this but didn't see them. Rather than getting annoyed about it, maybe it could be a fun puzzle? Spot the AI glitches in this image. Maybe do that contest before giving the award, though, among the finalists?

Next step: see if AI can fix them.

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by userbinator »

wxw wrote: post #49

I quite like the 4th and 5th place posters. 4th: https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i... 5th: https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i...

The 5th almost feels like an AI benchmark akin to the infamous Pelican.

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by userbinator »

monk_grilla wrote: post #119
userbinator wrote: post #98

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What’s more interesting is that whomever the judges were didn’t seem to notice or care. The implication is that all the other entries were even worse.

Did you look at the other four posters in the top five? They were all way better imho.

I'm saying that's what the judges thought, but either way, I wasn't a judge.
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