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AI Mania: From Tulips to Tokens

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Re: AI Mania: From Tulips to Tokens

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Post by empty_set35204 »

VorpalWay wrote: post #39
dools wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and AI has yet to show any real utility Ummm ... have you not tried using LLMs for coding work?

Not OP, but I have, and I'm not impressed. Perhaps it would be good if you are doing things in the training data (like churning out yet another bland website). But if you are doing things that are not well represented in publicly available code, or in unusual languages, then LLMs are not great currently. They are great for finding the right ffmpg command line arguments though, and not having to deal with that mess mu…

For what it's worth, engineers at proprietary trading firms are finding that they can get substantial productivity boosts by using LLMs and it'd be hard to find a domain that's less represented in the training data.

Does definitely require more steering than if you're churning out slop apps/websites though.

Re: AI Mania: From Tulips to Tokens

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Post by jiggawatts »

gcgbarbosa wrote: post #7
jiggawatts wrote: post #3

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Tulips, NFTs, and the Metaverse all revolved around exclusivity and collectibles. Art with no real utilitarian value. I pay OpenAI $100/mo, twice what I pay for my mobile phone service. It’s a useful service that I use every day. I have never even heard of anyone in my social circle expressing even a mild interest in tulips, NFTs, or the metaverse. This bubble has much more in common with the rail road boom and the 2…

How did metaverse revolved around exclusivity or collectibles?

A big part of the metaverse was "buying land" in exclusive locations, a similar concept to NFTs or crypto in general.

Re: AI Mania: From Tulips to Tokens

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Post by cadamsdotcom »

simonjgreen wrote: post #6
smokel wrote: post #4

This is a pretty confusing article. It seems to string together some loosely related facts to make the current AI boom look bad.

It is confusing. But I enjoyed the read, it’s refreshing to read a string of rants from a human rather than something perfectly polished by Opus.

Can you point me to where to read things perfectly polished by Opus?

I'll give them to Opus to show it how not to suck at writing.

Re: AI Mania: From Tulips to Tokens

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Post by dools »

VorpalWay wrote: post #39
dools wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and AI has yet to show any real utility Ummm ... have you not tried using LLMs for coding work?

Not OP, but I have, and I'm not impressed. Perhaps it would be good if you are doing things in the training data (like churning out yet another bland website). But if you are doing things that are not well represented in publicly available code, or in unusual languages, then LLMs are not great currently. They are great for finding the right ffmpg command line arguments though, and not having to deal with that mess mu…

I've built 4 pretty novel features where the LLM didn't know how to solve the problem, but with design/decision input from me was able to implement it. Between the two of us it was done, I would estimate, 10 - 20 times faster in terms of man hours than the same implementation would have taken without the use of LLMs. Like it's team level productivity from a single developer. In my case it was done infinity times faster because I just wouldn't have done these things, it would have been cost-prohibitive.

Re: AI Mania: From Tulips to Tokens

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Post by dools »

simonw wrote: post #48
what wrote: post #47

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>have you tried since $date You guys have been saying that every few months.

And you guys have been consistently replying with that exact same comment.

Have you been consistently replying with the same answer to that comment? Or have you genuinely tried using coding agents?

Re: AI Mania: From Tulips to Tokens

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Post by what »

simonw wrote: post #48
what wrote: post #47

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>have you tried since $date You guys have been saying that every few months.

And you guys have been consistently replying with that exact same comment.

Maybe because not everyone works on trivial shit and it still doesn’t work for them?

Re: AI Mania: From Tulips to Tokens

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Post by watwut »

andy99 wrote: post #22
jayd16 wrote: post #15

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Take advantage of open information, provide little yourself. Seems like a consistent enough line of questioning.

The OPs framing is better. Where does anyone say there’s a requirement to share data as demanded because you used a publicly available resource. These companies have created something world changing that everyone uses now, that you can get for free or for a very small amount of money. They certainly don’t need to indulge anyone’s nosing or whatever this is, the argument is ridiculous.

They literally created the situation where we are forced to use it, whether we want or not. It is pushed on us along with slop. And our work is changing from interesting to slop review.

They intend to create monopoly and abuse it to extract maximum money from us. They talk about how they will make all of us obsolete and literally brag about harms they will do to us. They throw middle finger on artists, mock them, call them obsolete and cant even perform.

They destroy environment and dont care. They help paladin, they help to bomb schools.

And they act like we should be thankful for being target of hype, doom trolling, environmental harm, insults and arrogance.

They deserve all the scrutiny and questioning.

Re: AI Mania: From Tulips to Tokens

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Post by simondotau »

what wrote: post #57
simonw wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you guys have been consistently replying with that exact same comment.

Maybe because not everyone works on trivial shit and it still doesn’t work for them?

Does the Linux kernel qualify as trivial shit?
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