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EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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Re: EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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> Ah yes. They're totally going to trust my self-signed certificates. They're totally not going to restrict their trust set to the corporate owned and surveillance friendly Google and Apple devices. That sounds mostly like copium just to motivate your complete inaction. Again - independent, EU based, attestation database is completely possible to make and we're using similar approval processes across multiple industr…

> we're using similar approval processes across multiple industries to certify hardware Why not tell us more about the requirements for hardware certification? Seriously doubt it's anything but the usual war on general purpose computing. Requirement #1, the computer runs the mandated surveillance software. Requirement #2, the computer does not allow the user to run any software not approved by the government. Require…

> Why not tell us more about the requirements for hardware certification?

Err, it's actually pretty simple: the token/certificate representing your ID (or credit card, or anything really) cannot be exfiltrated by userspace or installed kernel space apps or intercepted on the way to TPM when issued. And it cannot be duplicated.

It's the same set of requirements that are put on credit card smart chips and biometric chips in EU IDs and Passports (which are essentially also TPMs).

But sure, it's a all an evil conspiracy against general purpose computing. And they're all out to get ya. Now smash that downvote for a vote against the evil establishment.

Re: EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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All this ostensibly to keep teenage boys from watching Pornhub (when parental controls already exist). The real reason, of course, is to force people to connect strong real-life identifiers to online activity. Mobile first, then Windows. Then Linux is too weak to oppose on its own, and will adapt or die.

PH endorses OS level controls though

Re: EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

#113
post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we're using similar approval processes across multiple industries to certify hardware Why not tell us more about the requirements for hardware certification? Seriously doubt it's anything but the usual war on general purpose computing. Requirement #1, the computer runs the mandated surveillance software. Requirement #2, the computer does not allow the user to run any software not approved by the government. Require…

> Why not tell us more about the requirements for hardware certification? Err, it's actually pretty simple: the token/certificate representing your ID (or credit card, or anything really) cannot be exfiltrated by userspace or installed kernel space apps or intercepted on the way to TPM when issued. And it cannot be duplicated. It's the same set of requirements that are put on credit card smart chips and biometric chi…

> cannot be exfiltrated by userspace or installed kernel space apps or intercepted on the way to TPM

So it must be secure against the user, as expected.

Preventing the user from "tampering" with the token means carving out a section of the machine and putting it out of his reach. You just created a government embassy on the user's machine. There's no telling what it will be abused for, and there's no escape.

> But sure, it's a all an evil conspiracy against general purpose computing.

You just advocated for putting an inescapable persisent cryptographic government ID on everybody's computers. This is the literal implementation of the surveillance state. Everything you do online, this token gets sent. It's the end of anonymity. Not even Tor gets around this.

Re: EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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What you're saying is correct - but it's used to push a much more comprehensive lockdown of devices that has absolutely nothing to do with protection of minors. It's as if the government first let businesses install slot machines at every street corner, then suddenly went "I'm shocked, shocked! that we have a massive epidemic of gambling addiction here, we have to mandate anti-gambling shock collars for everyone to t…

This is the slippery slope fallacy and people in tech seem to love this argument. And you can argue in whichever direction you want with it. For example, "unfettered Internet access is just a series of tubes (shout out to Ted Stevens for that one) for pedophiles to rape your children." So now what? Is it your hyperbole against mine? The problem is that people are operating under a myth that they have anonymity. You d…

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Re: EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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I searched this page for 'fascist', 'fascism', 'far left', and 'liberal' and there were no results.

A surprising little amount of criticism considering the rhetoric in any political right adjacent threads on this website. There are three mentions of 'trump'.

Re: EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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post #18

All this ostensibly to keep teenage boys from watching Pornhub (when parental controls already exist). The real reason, of course, is to force people to connect strong real-life identifiers to online activity. Mobile first, then Windows. Then Linux is too weak to oppose on its own, and will adapt or die.

There should be real life identifiers connecting to online activity. Why should online actions be untraceable? That only empowers bad actors.

Re: EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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Cory Doctorow had a very profound talk about it very long time ago (10+years).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg

As the internet become the place where people do a lot of things, no government (and especially no security services) will be able to keep themselves from trying to control it or at least monitor it. And with the new LLM features they can automatically do much more than before.

Human nature is a constant and when the government sees an easy way to enforce something, many more bureaucrats will try to do it.

Re: EU Age Verification Project Mandates Hardware-Bound Attestation

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post #18

All this ostensibly to keep teenage boys from watching Pornhub (when parental controls already exist). The real reason, of course, is to force people to connect strong real-life identifiers to online activity. Mobile first, then Windows. Then Linux is too weak to oppose on its own, and will adapt or die.

There should be real life identifiers connecting to online activity. Why should online actions be untraceable? That only empowers bad actors.

Goodbye whistleblowing.
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