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'Crush this lady': how eBay harassment campaign led to $56M payout

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Re: 'Crush this lady': how eBay harassment campaign led to $56M payout

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Post by ransom1538 »

siva7 wrote: post #62
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a chance there wasn’t anything incriminating. The top guys kept conversations live or intimated they wanted something done; the lowers took the planning and execution upon themselves.

Yup, i've worked long enough with senior mgmt to know that anything of interest for prosecution won't be written down, especially not on company devices. Those making the mistakes of writing things down are those actually prosecuted, the ranks and files.

Shady SR mgmt pro tips:

1) phones. In California, you get a lot of protection just calling the guy. Use this. Only call people in California.

2) never lie on an email (regarding money, asking for services, providing services)

3) never lie on a phone (regarding money, asking for services, providing services)

4) lying in person is fine

5) anything that MUST be written down must be deleted after read and have no trace back. (privnote etc)

6) all email services should be hosted overseas (protonmail etc)

Re: 'Crush this lady': how eBay harassment campaign led to $56M payout

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Post by sandworm101 »

alexpotato wrote: post #44

Scott Adams [0], who recently passed away, had a great line on human behavior (paraphrased): Whenever people are unsupervised and there is a chance for fraud or bad behavior and, due to the lack of supervision, they believe they won't be caught, you should ALWAYS assume that people will behave badly. For another example, the Google case where it was exposed how many nefarious activities they were up to around auction…

>> "Whenever people are unsupervised and there is a chance for fraud or bad behavior.."

Idle hands are the devil's workshop. / The devil makes work for idle hands.

When the leave is too long, the soldier goes wrong.

Re: 'Crush this lady': how eBay harassment campaign led to $56M payout

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Post by SoftTalker »

cataphract wrote: post #78
energy123 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In one of my college courses, 100% of my fellow students cheated, including me. This is when I learned that virtually every person is deep down a liar and a cheat if they think they won't face consequences and it's in their benefit, and any public facade of virtue that people put up, common in this industry, is a manipulation strategy that is just more cheating, although of a different kind.

I don't think that's the lesson. What I take from that is that people adapt to norms and incentives they have. Despite all the talk about "academic integrity" and whatnot, very rarely were there punishments for people who cheated. For every professor that wrote FRAUD in the grade sheet and escalated to the Disciplinary Committee, there were 100 that turned a blind eye or at most confiscated a paper being passed aroun…

Probably because most of those professors had themselves cheated or plagiarized work when they were students.

Re: 'Crush this lady': how eBay harassment campaign led to $56M payout

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Post by naikrovek »

Every time I hear someone say “the private sector will self-govern” or anything of the kind, I think of any one of the probably tens of thousands of examples of this that history knows about.

If there is any one thing that capitalism can not and will not ever do, is reward a self-governing company in any way. Add human nature in the mix and you get vindictive human scum like these people. Or any one of tens of thousands of other people (100s of millions, really) who would gladly crush another human without ever even feeling bad about it, never mind having the wherewithal to stop and think “hey this may not be a great idea”.

A human without power is a danger to others. Add this to the mountain of evidence proving it.

Re: 'Crush this lady': how eBay harassment campaign led to $56M payout

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Post by lovich »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #84
siva7 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, i've worked long enough with senior mgmt to know that anything of interest for prosecution won't be written down, especially not on company devices. Those making the mistakes of writing things down are those actually prosecuted, the ranks and files.

> anything of interest for prosecution won't be written down, especially not on company devices This vastly overestimates the opsec of most tech executives.

I was told to do something that was a crime by my line level manager at a tech company when I was only a few years in my career, with code that he hand wrote and wanted me to type in and commit under my name.

When I refused he called me into a 1:1 and verbally told me I would be losing my job if I didn’t and only backed off when I told him he was never getting that paper back and asked if he wanted to go HR right now at which point I would be going to legal and didn’t care if I lost my job as long as he was implicated.

Only time in my career it’s happened, but it happens.

Re: 'Crush this lady': how eBay harassment campaign led to $56M payout

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Post by armada651 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #84
siva7 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, i've worked long enough with senior mgmt to know that anything of interest for prosecution won't be written down, especially not on company devices. Those making the mistakes of writing things down are those actually prosecuted, the ranks and files.

> anything of interest for prosecution won't be written down, especially not on company devices This vastly overestimates the opsec of most tech executives.

It's standard policy at most major corporations even for low-level employees to not discuss anything legally sensitive over company e-mail or chat.

Re: 'Crush this lady': how eBay harassment campaign led to $56M payout

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Post by deathanatos »

haunter wrote: post #3

Brian Gilbert, 56, of San Jose, Calif., former Senior Manager of Special Operations for eBay’s Global Security Team, was sentenced to time served, one year of supervised release with the special condition that he have no contact with either of the victims in the case and a $20,000 fine Jim Baugh, 47, of San Jose, Calif., eBay’s former Senior Director of Safety and Security, was sentenced to 57 months in prison David…

> eBay entered into a deferred prosecution agreement and admitted to a detailed recitation of all the relevant facts about its conduct and agreed to pay a criminal penalty of $3 million, which is the statutory maximum fine for these six felony offenses.

Scaled from eBay's $11.1B/y to a person making $70k/y, that's proportional to a $18.92 fine.

"The statutory maximum for these six felony offenses."

Re: 'Crush this lady': how eBay harassment campaign led to $56M payout

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Post by wanda »

happytoexplain wrote: post #8
haunter wrote: post #3

Brian Gilbert, 56, of San Jose, Calif., former Senior Manager of Special Operations for eBay’s Global Security Team, was sentenced to time served, one year of supervised release with the special condition that he have no contact with either of the victims in the case and a $20,000 fine Jim Baugh, 47, of San Jose, Calif., eBay’s former Senior Director of Safety and Security, was sentenced to 57 months in prison David…

No consequences for executives, and yet their ostensibly enormous responsibility is how their salaries and benefits are always justified.

If executives were at any risk of facing repercussions for their negligence, greed or outright villainy, I suspect fewer people would aspire to become one or remain one for very long.

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Post by gruez »

happytoexplain wrote: post #8
haunter wrote: post #3

Brian Gilbert, 56, of San Jose, Calif., former Senior Manager of Special Operations for eBay’s Global Security Team, was sentenced to time served, one year of supervised release with the special condition that he have no contact with either of the victims in the case and a $20,000 fine Jim Baugh, 47, of San Jose, Calif., eBay’s former Senior Director of Safety and Security, was sentenced to 57 months in prison David…

No consequences for executives, and yet their ostensibly enormous responsibility is how their salaries and benefits are always justified.

Right, because their responsibility is for increasing shareholder value, not falling on a sword when there's a PR snafu.

Re: 'Crush this lady': how eBay harassment campaign led to $56M payout

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Post by lovich »

dylan604 wrote: post #67
polytely wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we know what AI startup? I think its important for people to know when they do business with that startup.

Dream a little dream of the world you want, then be prepared for the alarm to go off to rejoin the real world. An insignificant number of people care and while everyone else does business with anyone as long as there's benefit for them. As exhibit A, I present all of history

I wonder if Captain Boycott would agree.[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Boycott

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