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Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by mxfh »

Also I don't get the point why you would want them easily scrapeable to begin with. If you have eyes to read and can walk across YOUR neighborhoods, you would have eventually seen one. I thought that was the whole point? They are not exactly hidden. I find those public bookcase incidental low barrier offerings to a reading exprience you just stumble upon, nothing you would seek out on a map.

Why would you want to have more people from anywhere else possibly raid them for anything useful? This way nobody is inclined to put anything worthwhile in there if it just ends up outside of their communities. Not that I'm in general pessimistic, just would like to know what is gained by putting the exact location into a map and not just have a list of neigborhoods with a book corner and optional photo on that neigborhood level, if people want to network around them.

Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by asdf88990 »

jburbank wrote: post #6
Tiberium wrote: post #2

Fully LLM-written article, maybe that's another reason :)

I highly doubt that. What tells do you see that lends to probability of it being llm generated content? Is it possible that we (myself included) have become conditioned to think content is llm generated as the default opinion?

The article is definitely write or at least rewritten or heavily editorialised by an LLM. You can confirm this by skimming the author’s previous articles and compare it to this one, specially pre-2021.

Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by Maxious »

sampton wrote: post #10

OSM needs a way to ingest "signals" instead of edits.

OSM has the notes feature which sounds like what OP should have used

> Example of a valid and useful note can be "a new road was constructed here" or "this shop is closed and does not exist anymore".

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes

Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by ryukoposting »

To be clear to folks not familiar with OSM:

These restrictions are unique to projects doing automated submissions of mass data.

If you're an individual just trying to make the world a better place, you can make an OSM account, go to the website, click, add a thing, hit submit, done. Someone will review it.

Apps like CoMaps and Organic Maps make it super easy to contribute data for businesses, landmarks, and such.

Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by DoctorOetker »

I've always been confused why OSM doesn't design a cheap open source stereo imager, some finetuned modern YOLO neural network could detect and blur the glass parts of windows, doorbells, nameplates and humans in the scene.

It could use GPS for rough geolocation, and 3D models of all the scenery could be generated. New contribution traces would contain changes compared to the past. Volunteers could request new paths it would like to see explored, and OSM could propose paths that cut through or ride along segments of recently submitted recordings of other users, to check if those changes are real, without checking the whole suspected recording.

Separate ground truth recording from its interpretation into mappable concepts, going out to make a recording or observation is a different task from deciding how to canonicalize the content.

Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by zx8080 »

ryukoposting wrote: post #14

To be clear to folks not familiar with OSM: These restrictions are unique to projects doing automated submissions of mass data. If you're an individual just trying to make the world a better place, you can make an OSM account, go to the website, click, add a thing, hit submit, done. Someone will review it. Apps like CoMaps and Organic Maps make it super easy to contribute data for businesses, landmarks, and such.

> you can make an OSM account, go to the website, click, add a thing, hit submit, done. Someone will review it.

I will share an unpopular opinion: thil will only make a freeworkforce for those projects who profit from using OSM. And the OSM has surprisingly unreliable data quality for walking around even in the popular tourist places like Tokyo or Kyoto, or New York. I've tried, and it's so worse than GMaps (or Bing) to being completely unusable. No work hours of Starbucks, no local dining cafe, no menu contributions.

It's great for the trail and hike outdiors, sure. But that's very different from the city map, as the nature featutes rarely change, not like city POIs.

Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by boredatoms »

zx8080 wrote: post #16
ryukoposting wrote: post #14

To be clear to folks not familiar with OSM: These restrictions are unique to projects doing automated submissions of mass data. If you're an individual just trying to make the world a better place, you can make an OSM account, go to the website, click, add a thing, hit submit, done. Someone will review it. Apps like CoMaps and Organic Maps make it super easy to contribute data for businesses, landmarks, and such.

> you can make an OSM account, go to the website, click, add a thing, hit submit, done. Someone will review it. I will share an unpopular opinion: thil will only make a freeworkforce for those projects who profit from using OSM. And the OSM has surprisingly unreliable data quality for walking around even in the popular tourist places like Tokyo or Kyoto, or New York. I've tried, and it's so worse than GMaps (or Bing)…

> No work hours of Starbucks, no local dining cafe, no menu contributions.

This moves the goal posts of OSM

Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by farfatched »

sampton wrote: post #10

OSM needs a way to ingest "signals" instead of edits.

Yes, the data source is clearly useful, so not having it is a loss. But an edit is large enough a privilege to require all these checks.

Perhaps it's not that OSM that needs a signal, but perhaps it's that there's an opportunity for an open map that has many signals, of which OSM and Book Corners are examples.

Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by MikeNotThePope »

zx8080 wrote: post #16
ryukoposting wrote: post #14

To be clear to folks not familiar with OSM: These restrictions are unique to projects doing automated submissions of mass data. If you're an individual just trying to make the world a better place, you can make an OSM account, go to the website, click, add a thing, hit submit, done. Someone will review it. Apps like CoMaps and Organic Maps make it super easy to contribute data for businesses, landmarks, and such.

> you can make an OSM account, go to the website, click, add a thing, hit submit, done. Someone will review it. I will share an unpopular opinion: thil will only make a freeworkforce for those projects who profit from using OSM. And the OSM has surprisingly unreliable data quality for walking around even in the popular tourist places like Tokyo or Kyoto, or New York. I've tried, and it's so worse than GMaps (or Bing)…

It's fine to make a project that will only be interesting if people choose to contribute, and it's fine if people want to contribute.

Re: Why Book Corners won't sync contributions back to OpenStreetMap

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Post by nullisland00 »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #15

I've always been confused why OSM doesn't design a cheap open source stereo imager, some finetuned modern YOLO neural network could detect and blur the glass parts of windows, doorbells, nameplates and humans in the scene. It could use GPS for rough geolocation, and 3D models of all the scenery could be generated. New contribution traces would contain changes compared to the past. Volunteers could request new paths i…

It’s a volunteer org. Sounds like you’re volunteering to build that and pay for the imagery etc. Let us know when you’re done.
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