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Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by shalmanese »

internet2000 wrote: post #16

People don't care and will continue not to care. I don't say that lamenting or with resignation. It's just a fact that we will need to accept. Think of all the poor typography around you. If you have a critical eye and care you can spot all sorts of bad choices: That's a preview of the future. AI-generated disposable art (posters, billboards, menus etc) that is orthogonal to the actual thing being sold will continue…

They don't need to care, they just need to learn to tune it out, after which it becomes ineffective.

Characteristic of this style of AI art is pseudo-detail: the artwork looks busy but when you inspect the detail, it contains no informational value. How could it, you cannot extract more detail from a prompt than what was put in.

Contrast with a Where's Waldo picture, for example that is equally information dense but contains actually delightful jokes and variation that makes it interesting to look at.

Good design doesn't work because people notice the clear information hierarchy. Good design works because good information hierarchy means people don't have friction trying to interpret it.

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by ralph84 »

DrewADesign wrote: post #69
skybrian wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh, I thought I was reasonably good at this but didn't see them. Rather than getting annoyed about it, maybe it could be a fun puzzle? Spot the AI glitches in this image. Maybe do that contest before giving the award, though, among the finalists?

[flagged]

You wanna get paid for your work become a sat diver or roughneck.

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by theturtletalks »

apical_dendrite wrote: post #58
theturtletalks wrote: post #39

There is a real lag between people who can leverage AI vs those who can't. People who code using AI have a real advantage of using AI in different contexts because they understand how powerful it is. It's very similar to when the internet got big and those who knew how to use it had a significant advantage over those who didn't. AI hasn't really diffused to mass audience yet, at least not to the point of using it to…

It's really important to define what "people who can leverage AI" means. I've found that using AI judiciously with close human supervision provides an advantage, but using the latest models with the latest harnesses can look like it's giving you a huge advantage superficially while actually costing you more time in the long run.

That's hard to define, but I measure it as how quickly people reach for AI for complex, tedious tasks. Let's say you're doing market research for a car to buy. A person who doesn't use AI, might just ask ChatGPT, but many websites block searches like that now. Someone who uses CC or Codex could ask it and it will use curl to get the live data and make a HTML you can browse.

Another is someone making a workout plan or a meal plan. Coders will ask AI to make a plan and add it to their calendar using GOG Cli. It's a fundamental shift in thinking and that hasn't diffused to the mass public yet. But just like the internet, it will get to them eventually. In the mean time, those who leverage AI like that will have an advantage.

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

dyauspitr wrote: post #62
kazinator wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they didn't explicitly forbid AI Yes they did; the contestants must be at least 18 years old and residents of Ohio. AI is neither. Would it be within contest rules if an 19-year-old resident of Ohio served as an artistic director, giving suggestions to a 12-year-old from Kentucky who does the actual work?

No AI is a tool. It’s like you saying they didn’t say you can’t use oil paint.

There's no creativity or skill in handing something off to a generative model. At best, it's analogous to commissioning a work (as another poster said). It's not remotely like using a tool to create art.

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by sodapopcan »

dqv wrote: post #75
petilon wrote: post #50

In the 1990s there was a backlash against Photoshop. Traditional artists and designers viewed Photoshop as "cheating," "not real art," and a threat to hand-made craft. This story [1] from 17 years ago called for a ban on airbrushed photos. Today use of Photoshop and airbrushing is standard practice, and it is expected. In time we will come to accept AI art too. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/sep/19/lib…

Yes, just like we accepted steroids in sports.

Wish I'd thought of this one, lol.

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by DrewADesign »

furyofantares wrote: post #78
BobbyTables2 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oil paint would be a bit more controversial if it painted the picture all by itself…

You're right, for example photography was controversial.

And photography is something where the image determines whether or not it’s art. If you are constructing an image using form, shape, light, subjects, tool selection, and all sorts of other factors to translate a 3D scene into a 2D image, revealing your particular perspective, then that is art, and pretty difficult at that. If you take a flat, objective, documentary picture of a painting, that’s not art. If you take a picture of something at the store you’d like to research later, that’s not art. If you’re telling someone, with your words, maybe some sketches and marked-up iterations what you want the picture to look like but they actually take it and finish it, you’re not the artist— you’re commissioning art.

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

theturtletalks wrote: post #39

There is a real lag between people who can leverage AI vs those who can't. People who code using AI have a real advantage of using AI in different contexts because they understand how powerful it is. It's very similar to when the internet got big and those who knew how to use it had a significant advantage over those who didn't. AI hasn't really diffused to mass audience yet, at least not to the point of using it to…

The only advantage in using generative AI is that the market is engaged in a bunch of FOMO over it, so it looks good on your resume. That's it. It makes you far worse at doing your actual job, though. I have to deal with the slop that AI enthusiasts put out at work all the time, and they are going to get fired as soon as AI isn't trendy because their work sucks ass.

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by userbinator »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #14
varenc wrote: post #5

The poster: https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i... Note the pigs are numbered 1, 2, 1. And the gondola with a floating cable and another that terminates at a tent top.

It is full of obvious AIgen artifacts What’s more interesting is that whomever the judges were didn’t seem to notice or care. It was only until afterward were they upset

What’s more interesting is that whomever the judges were didn’t seem to notice or care.

The implication is that all the other entries were even worse.

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by no-name-here »

Barrin92 wrote: post #45
varenc wrote: post #5

The poster: https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i... Note the pigs are numbered 1, 2, 1. And the gondola with a floating cable and another that terminates at a tent top.

or just look at the faceless and weirdly misshapen 'people' in the crowd. Genuinely who was judging this? Also I'm pretty sure Ohio isn't 250 years old, this is just crazy

> Ohio isn't 250 years old, this is just crazy

I read it as celebrating:

* Ohio as a state, and * America’s 250th

Re: AI poster wins Ohio State Fair contest

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Post by esrauch »

Barbing wrote: post #30
internet2000 wrote: post #16

People don't care and will continue not to care. I don't say that lamenting or with resignation. It's just a fact that we will need to accept. Think of all the poor typography around you. If you have a critical eye and care you can spot all sorts of bad choices: That's a preview of the future. AI-generated disposable art (posters, billboards, menus etc) that is orthogonal to the actual thing being sold will continue…

People don’t care means if every poster were labeled “AI generated” with a black banner at the bottom, people wouldn’t care. Most can’t _recognize_ GPT & Gemini posters. Good point on preview of feature.

> if every poster were labeled “AI generated” with a black banner at the bottom, people wouldn’t care.

Do you have evidence that people would care?

The specific case of this poster it appears they are claiming it was disclosed by the submitter that it was AI and still picked. Maybe that's diffusing the situation after, but it seems most likely these people selected and asked to care about the poster knew it was AI and still selected it. Most people would care less than they did.

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