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'Crush this lady': how eBay harassment campaign led to $56M payout

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Brian Gilbert, 56, of San Jose, Calif., former Senior Manager of Special Operations for eBay’s Global Security Team, was sentenced to time served, one year of supervised release with the special condition that he have no contact with either of the victims in the case and a $20,000 fine Jim Baugh, 47, of San Jose, Calif., eBay’s former Senior Director of Safety and Security, was sentenced to 57 months in prison David…

When will the executives face criminal trial too? “ The seven members of eBay’s security team were all criminally charged and sentenced to prison, home confinement or time served. Other executives went on to other corporate jobs. Wymer and Wenig left eBay in September 2019, before the charges were filed. The following year, Wymer was appointed chief of the non-profit Boys and Girls Clubs of Silicon Valley. Wenig has…

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Side note but did anyone here tried to sell stuff on eBay ? Their pricing are insane, they take a cut on your product price, but also on the delivery method and even on the taxes ! It amounts to about 13% of total price, including delivery and taxes. It looks absolutely insane to me, but some people seem to defend it. To put some perspective, here in France we have an extremely profitable competitor called Leboncoin,…

> It looks absolutely insane to me, but some people seem to defend it. Before that policy, you had a bunch of items listed for $1 + $60 "shipping" to dodge fees. I'll take the current structure over that.

Making you pay ~12% fee on foreign country taxes collected by eBay, when those taxes can’t be gamed like postage was, is a bridge too far.

I used to offer listings to the world, now I just add Japan for the odd rare item.

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Scott Adams [0], who recently passed away, had a great line on human behavior (paraphrased):

Whenever people are unsupervised and there is a chance for fraud or bad behavior and, due to the lack of supervision, they believe they won't be caught, you should ALWAYS assume that people will behave badly.

For another example, the Google case where it was exposed how many nefarious activities they were up to around auction bidding.

0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Adams

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What I really don't understand is why the security people who sent to jail didn't drop their boss in it in return for diminishing their role

There is a chance there wasn’t anything incriminating. The top guys kept conversations live or intimated they wanted something done; the lowers took the planning and execution upon themselves.

I'm not a lawyer, but isn't RICO meant to give a way to prosecute those who are at the top of organizations that have people committing crimes like this?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I really don't understand is why the security people who sent to jail didn't drop their boss in it in return for diminishing their role

There is a chance there wasn’t anything incriminating. The top guys kept conversations live or intimated they wanted something done; the lowers took the planning and execution upon themselves.

Wasn't the strategy of Mafia bosses to say something vague like "I sure wish that guy would go away".

It was implicit that they wanted someone killed but if brought up in court they could say "I was just expressing an opinion, not giving an order"

Re: 'Crush this lady': how eBay harassment campaign led to $56M payout

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Scott Adams [0], who recently passed away, had a great line on human behavior (paraphrased): Whenever people are unsupervised and there is a chance for fraud or bad behavior and, due to the lack of supervision, they believe they won't be caught, you should ALWAYS assume that people will behave badly. For another example, the Google case where it was exposed how many nefarious activities they were up to around auction…

"Trust but verify" and "Locks keep honest people honest"

Some people might be absolutely moral, but most just don't want to experience consequences

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a chance there wasn’t anything incriminating. The top guys kept conversations live or intimated they wanted something done; the lowers took the planning and execution upon themselves.

Mobsters have it down to an art. "You take care of it." means "Murder him and dump the body into a building foundation." "I don't see any problems." can mean "The ambush will happen at the scheduled time. Vinnie will clean up the bodies." etc. You'll also see a lot of politicians using "dog whistle" statements, that are interpreted by listeners to mean something entirely different from the stated words.

A good fictional example of this I often think of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH5j9RHCBpM

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a chance there wasn’t anything incriminating. The top guys kept conversations live or intimated they wanted something done; the lowers took the planning and execution upon themselves.

Wasn't the strategy of Mafia bosses to say something vague like "I sure wish that guy would go away". It was implicit that they wanted someone killed but if brought up in court they could say "I was just expressing an opinion, not giving an order"

If by mafia you mean English Crown sure.

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When will the executives face criminal trial too? “ The seven members of eBay’s security team were all criminally charged and sentenced to prison, home confinement or time served. Other executives went on to other corporate jobs. Wymer and Wenig left eBay in September 2019, before the charges were filed. The following year, Wymer was appointed chief of the non-profit Boys and Girls Clubs of Silicon Valley. Wenig has…

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