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SwiftUI After 7 Years

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Re: SwiftUI After 7 Years

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Post by CharlesW »

Razengan wrote: post #5

I fell in love with SwiftUI the day it was announced, but as a solo dev I still haven't been able to make a full app with it yet, mostly because of the lack of documentation, and the gaps where you still need to drop down to AppKit/UIKit. I went through Visual Basic, .NET, WPF, Cocoa, and other random frameworks all professing to be the promised panacea for UI, but I think SwiftUI+SwiftData is the best environment ev…

> There's no way I'd dare to take on a full Apple-platform app project alone on my own, but I've started dabbling in it again thanks to AI: Codex even converted an old app I made in Visual Basic 900 years ago and had it running in SwiftUI within minutes!

You may like my project https://charleswiltgen.github.io/Axiom/ (FOSS). I was in the same place a year ago, and initially created Axiom as a private skills suite before deciding that it was too helpful not to share.

Re: SwiftUI After 7 Years

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Post by sunnybeetroot »

frizlab wrote: post #87
happytoexplain wrote: post #63

Autolayout, while flawed like anything else, remains the pinnacle of UI across all platforms. SwiftUI is a laudable attempt to idiot-proof UI, but it sacrifices too much and ultimately fails.

I love Auto-Layout so much.

Make 320pt frame layouts great again

/s

Re: SwiftUI After 7 Years

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Post by dagmx »

pupppet wrote: post #92

If you’re just getting AI to build you an iOS app, is there any reason to use SwiftUI over UIKit?

Yes because SwiftUI is way more self contained and minimally verbose, it’s a better fit for LLM use than AppKit/UIKit

Re: SwiftUI After 7 Years

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Post by sunnybeetroot »

zer0x4d wrote: post #66
Razengan wrote: post #5

I fell in love with SwiftUI the day it was announced, but as a solo dev I still haven't been able to make a full app with it yet, mostly because of the lack of documentation, and the gaps where you still need to drop down to AppKit/UIKit. I went through Visual Basic, .NET, WPF, Cocoa, and other random frameworks all professing to be the promised panacea for UI, but I think SwiftUI+SwiftData is the best environment ev…

Yeah I don't really understand their insistence on these videos. I don't have the time to watch an incredibly hard to watch present babywalk me through the code, hoping I'd catch one modifier I missed that fixes the issue. Just write some docs for god's sake.

They update the docs every year. The videos are for people who want a demonstration instead of reading docs and trying things manually to see the result.

Re: SwiftUI After 7 Years

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Post by kccqzy »

blltprfmnk wrote: post #77
spacedcowboy wrote: post #51

Apple had a real winner with ObjC and AppKit. Swift is horrendously complicated for the benefits it offers over ObjC, and SwiftUI is a massive step backwards from AppKit. Just MHO, and it’s not going to stop the juggernaut, but there’s just no appeal in moving there for me :( If (when ?) Apple drop ObjC, that’s the day I move to Linux

There were a lot of people actively complaining about ObjC in the lead-up to the unveiling of Swift. In fact I recall one prominent blogger in the iOS community begging Apple just a few months earlier to consider replacing it. Unfortunately although Swift seemed promising at first, by the time Swift 3 rolled around a lot of people were actively frustrated and moved on from iOS development. Having actual experienced h…

Are you talking about the unveiling of Swift or SwiftUI? My recollection was that some people hated ObjC and wanted a more modern language. Apple gave them Swift. But I don’t recall people hating AppKit (maybe I wasn’t remembering correctly) and SwiftUI was basically Apple following the hipster trend.
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