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German carmakers flood jobs market with managers after wielding axe

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Re: German carmakers flood jobs market with managers after wielding axe

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Post by eska »

tcfhgj wrote: post #16
lysace wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is indeed an accurate description. I live in a neighboring country. Germany's energy failure costs me the equivalent of about an entry level Macbook Pro every year. I don't have kind words for SPD/Die Grünen in specific, or, to be frank, Germany in general.

> I don't have kind words for SPD/Die Grünen in specific, or, to be frank, Germany in general. because they've governed Germany for the past decades ... wait ... they have not?

Out of the last 28 years they have spent only 4 in the opposition. SPD together with CDU are the two major parties shaping Germany. As opposition they also always had a majority veto right.

Re: German carmakers flood jobs market with managers after wielding axe

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Post by leonidasrup »

est31 wrote: post #14
rwmj wrote: post #10

Not a scientific study, but here in the UK where we don't have tariffs against Chinese car manufacturers, there are loads of electric BYDs and Jaecoos (the "Temu Range Rover") driving around recently.

Yeah with China pumping state subventions into car manufacturing, they can outcompete any car manufacturer anywhere in the world. The leading battery technology is in Asia anyways. The German car industry will not die completely, as the EU can protect its market from chinese manufacturers through regulation. But it will shrink and transform. Probably also back to fossil fuels (yuck), because there the Germans still h…

German car industry can produce state of art ICE, because they can manufacture the heart of ICE - the engine.

German car industry is trailing with EVs, because they can not manufacture the heart of EV - the battery.

Re: German carmakers flood jobs market with managers after wielding axe

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Post by warkdarrior »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #18

I remember seeing a video that labels these people as doing bullshit jobs. As an example in UPS the people that actually delivers the packages are the ones doing the real work. However between those workers and CEO there are like ten or more levels of management and all those people just sitting at an office doing basically nothing. Same with VW or with any other traditional German company. Sometimes to justify their…

I don't know what is the right amount of management, and I'm sure there are some management roles that add no value, but it seems to me that you cannot have UPS function with just a CEO and, say, 10000 delivery drivers and no middle managers.

Re: German carmakers flood jobs market with managers after wielding axe

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Post by dredmorbius »

netsharc wrote: post #17

Credit Suisse went down 2 years ago in Switzerland, flooding the market with finance and IT people...

I didn't realise that the firm no longer existed, but yes:

"UBS Completes Historic Takeover as Credit Suisse Ends" (May 31, 2024) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-31/ubs-compl...>

Re: German carmakers flood jobs market with managers after wielding axe

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Post by sajithdilshan »

leonidasrup wrote: post #22
est31 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah with China pumping state subventions into car manufacturing, they can outcompete any car manufacturer anywhere in the world. The leading battery technology is in Asia anyways. The German car industry will not die completely, as the EU can protect its market from chinese manufacturers through regulation. But it will shrink and transform. Probably also back to fossil fuels (yuck), because there the Germans still h…

German car industry can produce state of art ICE, because they can manufacture the heart of ICE - the engine. German car industry is trailing with EVs, because they can not manufacture the heart of EV - the battery.

I think the biggest problem with German EVs are not the battery but the software. EVs are practically computers on a wheel and compared to the competitors the software and features it offers are still terrible. I remember VW even had a huge joint venture with Rivian to get things back on track. But seems like it didn’t work out

Re: German carmakers flood jobs market with managers after wielding axe

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Post by calvinmorrison »

warkdarrior wrote: post #23
sajithdilshan wrote: post #18

I remember seeing a video that labels these people as doing bullshit jobs. As an example in UPS the people that actually delivers the packages are the ones doing the real work. However between those workers and CEO there are like ten or more levels of management and all those people just sitting at an office doing basically nothing. Same with VW or with any other traditional German company. Sometimes to justify their…

I don't know what is the right amount of management, and I'm sure there are some management roles that add no value, but it seems to me that you cannot have UPS function with just a CEO and, say, 10000 delivery drivers and no middle managers.

its just people underestimating what people do in their actual jobs. Every thing has a huge long tail of work. things like 'accounting' is obvious but there are entire jobs around just buying stuff, around logistics, around fleet management, around managing your staff (HR), there are LOTs of specialized roles and they're not all dumb because you think they don't do anything.

Even in accounting there are many roles and subspecialties!

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Post by sajithdilshan »

est31 wrote: post #14
rwmj wrote: post #10

Not a scientific study, but here in the UK where we don't have tariffs against Chinese car manufacturers, there are loads of electric BYDs and Jaecoos (the "Temu Range Rover") driving around recently.

Yeah with China pumping state subventions into car manufacturing, they can outcompete any car manufacturer anywhere in the world. The leading battery technology is in Asia anyways. The German car industry will not die completely, as the EU can protect its market from chinese manufacturers through regulation. But it will shrink and transform. Probably also back to fossil fuels (yuck), because there the Germans still h…

Last time the Germans got into defence technology, it didn’t end well for the whole world. Let’s hope it wouldn’t be the case this time

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Post by nxm »

emsign wrote: post #11

At least I hope they leave the corporate culture baggage that has ruined the German car industry behind and do not transplant it into other companies. In which you stick to your old guns and hope that politics protects you with tariffs against any future developments from international competitors on the car market. (It failed. Now the Chinese make better cars than the Germans.)

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Re: German carmakers flood jobs market with managers after wielding axe

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Post by nradov »

rwmj wrote: post #15
est31 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah with China pumping state subventions into car manufacturing, they can outcompete any car manufacturer anywhere in the world. The leading battery technology is in Asia anyways. The German car industry will not die completely, as the EU can protect its market from chinese manufacturers through regulation. But it will shrink and transform. Probably also back to fossil fuels (yuck), because there the Germans still h…

They're also making cars that people want to buy for a price they can afford. Toyota aren't making any cars I want to buy (at any price).

And yet the Toyota RAV4 hybrid is selling so fast in the USA that customers can barely find one at a dealership.
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