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Has the New Cocaine Arrived?

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Re: Has the New Cocaine Arrived?

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Post by pitchlatte »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #68
xyzsparetimexyz wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're going to the wrong clubs if you're spending €100

London, Paris, southern Spain, Balearic. If you're a male then 100eur per night is a bargain.

maybe my take on this is weird but spending more than 5-10 on entry is a sign it’s commercial and not really gonna be fun. the more informal the better. club goers from Londons legendary decades also describe going in for a fiver to the best parties. once the commercial interests step in, it’s a crowd of people spending to be where it’s cool to be. the cool is already elsewhere. we saw this happen in real time with Berghain over the past 5-8 years.

Re: Has the New Cocaine Arrived?

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Post by pitchlatte »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #54
emsign wrote: post #37

The title is misleading. 3-MMC differs from Cocaine in that it doesn't turn you into an egomaniac asshole, which is due to its acting on the Serotonin receptors.

>> "you can’t stop talking about yourself, but from an earnest yearning to share authentically" Kinda sounds like a rationalizing egomaniac asshole.

most drugs get people talking but there’s something especially cocky about the cocaine types. i’ve never done it but i can occasionally tell when someone’s used it regularly because of a particular bluster they develop.

Re: Has the New Cocaine Arrived?

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Post by andy99 »

fingerlocks wrote: post #39
xg15 wrote: post #26

I was amused by the compulsively positive way this article is written. I don't think I've had read about "falling in love" with a designer drug or about "chemsex enthusiasts" before. All good, let people do what they want to do, but no downsides at all, even for the other drugs mentioned? Cocaine's problem is "the irritation", Ecstasy has too much of a "hard comedown"? And all of them are addictive, but that's just a…

For every addict, there are many responsible adults that can set healthy boundaries and have a positive relationship with recreational drugs. This article is for them.

They talk about partying all night and then going to work on drugs.

Re: Has the New Cocaine Arrived?

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Post by HedonicEscal8r »

hack1312 wrote: post #69
fingerlocks wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve always been skeptical about caffeine’s alleged physical dependence. I’m a two or three cups a day consumer, but I’ve quit many times and never felt any different. This has been entirely by accident, like forgetting to pack coffee on a 2 week back packing trip, or purchasing decaf coffee by mistake, and didn’t even realize I wasn’t drinking for several days

Caffeine’s physical dependence is well documented, you’re by definition an outlier. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00213-004-2000-x

"In experimental studies, the incidence of headache was 50% and the incidence of clinically significant distress or functional impairment was 13%."

That is by definition not what "outlier" means.

Re: Has the New Cocaine Arrived?

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Post by HedonicEscal8r »

cataphract wrote: post #60
freedomben wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, but even some physical dependency seems to be acceptable, though surely only because they're grandfathered in. For example caffeine

Caffeine withdrawal symptoms don't last more than 1-2 weeks. And we're talking about headaches, feeling sluggish... not dying, like other drugs.

The only common drugs that cause deadly withdrawals are alcohol and benzodiazepines. Opioid withdrawals are famously extremely unpleasant but not typically considered life-threatening.

Re: Has the New Cocaine Arrived?

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Post by HedonicEscal8r »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #33
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #31

> “When you take it, you don’t feel ‘high,’ ” he explained. “You just feel better, with a little bit of pep in your step. It’s a functional tool, and it’s also very stealth. The outside world can’t really tell that you’re on drugs.” This sounds like Brave New World.

Thing is, it’s just not true. 3-MMC spins you up hard and it would be extremely obvious in a work setting, for example. These are just the words of a user that wants to believe that no one knows when they’re using.

Not that I recommend being on 3-MMC at work, but it's just a matter of dosage. People take pharmaceutical doses of Adderall at work and 10x higher recreational doses at clubs.

Re: Has the New Cocaine Arrived?

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Post by c87aad3f84e2bc »

Aurornis wrote: post #59

This is a weird article. 3-MMC has been around for a long time and was banned in both Europe and America years ago because it’s not new. The article even says so right in the middle. I wonder if this was written by someone who recently discovered 3-MMC and is in the honeymoon phase where they think their use is only positive and the good times will never end. Quotes like this are not something you’ll hear from experi…

Poorly researched too as 4-MMC aka. Mephedrone didn't get it's slang name "Meow meow" from supposedly smelling like cat piss*. It's derived from its name 4-methylmethcathinone which was shortened to "M-Cat" and the various other cat-related slang followed on from there.

* It actually tends to smell like a pungent cross between freshly manufactured PCBs and the greasy kitchen ventilator outlet of a fried food takeaway.

Re: Has the New Cocaine Arrived?

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Post by braebo »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #48
andy99 wrote: post #3

When I read things like this I feel like I’ve lived a sheltered life, and am happy about that.

Really? You're not a chemsex enthusiast ready to join Captain Zee and his crew of psychonauts aboard the S.S. Khatterprise?

Anecdotally, I’m long out of my drug and Music festival party phase by now… but they contained some of the best, most insightful and awe inspiring experiences I’ve had, and I’ve carried them with me in ways that have permanently enriched my life. It would feel tragic to have never had them.

Re: Has the New Cocaine Arrived?

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Post by swat535 »

fingerlocks wrote: post #39
xg15 wrote: post #26

I was amused by the compulsively positive way this article is written. I don't think I've had read about "falling in love" with a designer drug or about "chemsex enthusiasts" before. All good, let people do what they want to do, but no downsides at all, even for the other drugs mentioned? Cocaine's problem is "the irritation", Ecstasy has too much of a "hard comedown"? And all of them are addictive, but that's just a…

For every addict, there are many responsible adults that can set healthy boundaries and have a positive relationship with recreational drugs. This article is for them.

Everyone thinks they can set boundaries with regards to drugs, until they try it and realize that they can't.

I don't think anyone trying out hard drugs for the first time thinks that they will be addicted forever. In fact they think: "trying it once couldn't hurt".

I think the number of people who are able to set boundaries with regards to addictive substances is in the minority, which is why I'm in favor of regulation for these.

That being said, I think that providing clean equipment and environments for addicts is better than putting them in jail. Unfortunately though, many end up suffering from mental illness and become a danger.

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