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Re: Karpathy’s Pelican

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Post by revel »

matsemann wrote: post #41

I'm pretty tired of the "Y made this game in Z tokens" all over the internet last week. They look impressive, and it's cool that it's even possible, but they're useless as games. None of them are any fun. They're like the most boring variant of basic controllers you can imagine. None have any cool mechanics. None have any tweaks made from hours and hours of testing. All have the same cel-shader.

LLMs are bad at creative work and I don’t see them improving any time soon. Try asking an agent to write a story about raccoons. It will almost certainly involve either stealing food or raiding trash with a 50% chance of having a character named Pip. If a location is mentioned, it’ll be Elm Street.

I guess this is the average story and, similarly, the average game is boring and predictable

Re: Karpathy’s Pelican

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Post by hgoel »

baron816 wrote: post #11

IMO, the area where AI is going to be most useful over the next couple years is in developing manufacturing processes top to bottom. Maybe a million token budget is too small, but something like "design me a sneaker and all the equipment to manufacture it autonomously".

I think embodied AI or autonomous experimentation will need to make a lot more progress before that kind of thing is possible.

Asking AI to design real world objects doesn't work very well because all of its tests involve proxies and thus miss things that are glaringly obvious when the object is actually built.

Re: Karpathy’s Pelican

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Post by gisely »

fzeindl wrote: post #18

Regarding the argument about LLMs having difficulties auditing their work: I wonder whether we are entering the era of throwaway software. Just like cheap plastics and improved processes has enabled us to rapidly manufacture anything we want for a very low price, maybe LLMs give us the same for software. Produce it cheaply and if it breaks throws it away and reproduce it.

Does this make sense with economics of software though? Throwaway products compete with more durable versions of the same product because there is a cost per unit produced that can be minimized by using cheaper materials or production processes that cut corners. With software there is no cost per unit. There might be a market for one-off software that serves a very specific purpose where throwaway software can compete with adapting more carefully engineered software to that purpose, but I am not convinced there is a lot value in this market.

Re: Karpathy’s Pelican

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk »

fzeindl wrote: post #18

Regarding the argument about LLMs having difficulties auditing their work: I wonder whether we are entering the era of throwaway software. Just like cheap plastics and improved processes has enabled us to rapidly manufacture anything we want for a very low price, maybe LLMs give us the same for software. Produce it cheaply and if it breaks throws it away and reproduce it.

Yes. It's fantastic for one-off tasks.

Re: Karpathy’s Pelican

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Post by ssdg16 »

mdp2021 wrote: post #49
trlhaq wrote: post #15

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Theft of what? Why - aside from the fact that your accusation are irrelevant to the submission and arguments absent -, you do not know verbatim paragraphs (we do)? You cannot come and place your personal positions as assumptions. To me, there is absolutely no theft. And we cannot play a game of "Yes!"//"No!" here. By the way: are we having a surge of this?

> Theft of what? > By the way: are we having a surge of this?

We do have a surge of pro-AI sealions, yes. Any objection is countered with one or more three word questions.

Re: Karpathy’s Pelican

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Post by tripleee »

matsemann wrote: post #41

I'm pretty tired of the "Y made this game in Z tokens" all over the internet last week. They look impressive, and it's cool that it's even possible, but they're useless as games. None of them are any fun. They're like the most boring variant of basic controllers you can imagine. None have any cool mechanics. None have any tweaks made from hours and hours of testing. All have the same cel-shader.

It's the flashy game/movie trailer equivalent for LLMs. Completely unrelated to the real experience, but good for marketing.
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