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AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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Thank you for ignoring the request and not providing the simple link i requested. Also, from your own link: >Is It Illegal to Be Homeless >No US law makes the status of being homeless a crime. You cannot face arrest simply for not having a permanent address or for being unable to afford rent.

Yeah but you can't sleep outside of a home, so good luck with not sleeping for the rest of your life.

Sure you can, just not in certain specific locations.

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I think you're missing the point why younger people do that. Real wages have been deteriorating over the years. It's much more difficult to afford a house today than it was 50 years ago. People are perfectly aware that investing into index funds is the "correct" approach, however it does not solve anything for them. They're desperate and for them _to gamble_ seems like the only way to become decently rich allowing to…

Real wages are higher today than they ever have been. The whole story about median real wages falling is entirely a result of Simpson’s paradox as applied to women entering the workforce from 1970-2000. This sort of axe grinding is just excusing people’s bad decisions it isn’t grounded in reality.

How are your real wages being calculated?

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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The hard part is behavioural/emotional/psychological rather than technical. Usually discussions about money are never actually about money, but rather safety, fear, etc. That’s where a real advisor earns their keep. Understanding the client and instilling confidence/comfort.

I have had a financial advisor for a while now. (Did and does handle my dad as well.) Costs a bit of money but he probably does some things with his brokerage's computers that I don't have easy access to and, with one exception, I've consolidated a number of accounts to him--a couple of which I barely looked at. He's also good as a sounding board. I'll sometimes push back if I have a slightly different view of risk/r…

With respect, you're likely being taken advantage of.

Your advisor doesn't have any fancy computer with more info than you have. You're paying for an illusion and it's not cheap:

A 1% annual fee reduces your wealth by 20-25% over a 30 year period.

At least do yourself a favor and check to see what your total return is with him vs simple index funds.

If you need a professional sounding board you can pay by the hour.

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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I use YNAB ( https://www.ynab.com/ ) for budgeting so I already had all of my financial data in a single source. Exporting the CSVs locally and asking Claude to be my financial advisor legitimately gave me good advice. Not just nagging me to save more (which is always useful), but how to organize my budget categories better, detecting longer term spending patterns I wasn't thinking much about, researching credit card…

> I use YNAB I was happy to pay for YNAB4, which was local-only data. I have no interest in paying a subscription for YNAB5 when I have no need for cloud-access or cross-device syncing. If YNAB5 was one-time purchase plus optional syncing, I'd consider the one-time outlay.

I still use YNAB 4 to this day on both the Android app and my desktop. Every couple of years the Dropbox sync stops working, but someone in the community fixes it and uploads an APK for others to download. It may just be that I'm used to it, but it still feels like the best combination of simplicity and design of any budgeting tool I've used.

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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I have had a financial advisor for a while now. (Did and does handle my dad as well.) Costs a bit of money but he probably does some things with his brokerage's computers that I don't have easy access to and, with one exception, I've consolidated a number of accounts to him--a couple of which I barely looked at. He's also good as a sounding board. I'll sometimes push back if I have a slightly different view of risk/r…

With respect, you're likely being taken advantage of. Your advisor doesn't have any fancy computer with more info than you have. You're paying for an illusion and it's not cheap: A 1% annual fee reduces your wealth by 20-25% over a 30 year period. At least do yourself a favor and check to see what your total return is with him vs simple index funds. If you need a professional sounding board you can pay by the hour.

It's complicated. It's tied in with various family stuff and the reality is that I had accounts I just wasn't managing. Could I make a change someday? Maybe. But this works for my position today and I have a significant brokerage account that I manage personally today which includes index funds but also has a lot of bonds and money market at this point as I'm mostly retired.

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> Never buy or sell an individual security. This is controversial but very bad advice. No index funds, by their nature, will ever match the return of high-flying company stocks. If you have very little investment capital available, then yes, allocate it all to index funds because you can't afford to narrow it down yet. But as soon as you have some room to invest in individual stocks, do it. After about three decades…

>more than 95% of my returns are from just a small handful of individual stocks Yeah, but did you know which ones from the start? The whole point of index funds or diversification in general is that you don't.

If it's in a sector you know/have intuitions about--including an employer--some individual stocks (not all in) may not be terrible bets. I've been pretty lucky especially over the past 15 years or so and I cleaned out stocks not going anywhere and farmed out at least of some of the big winners to somewhere that made sense from both an investment and tax perspective.

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Real wages are higher today than they ever have been. The whole story about median real wages falling is entirely a result of Simpson’s paradox as applied to women entering the workforce from 1970-2000. This sort of axe grinding is just excusing people’s bad decisions it isn’t grounded in reality.

How are your real wages being calculated?

By taking nominal wages and then normalizing them to some specified year’s dollars using a price index. Yes I know you believe that price indices are made up but if anything CPI overstates inflation slightly because it doesn’t properly account for substitution across goods categories (for example if the price of apples increases people will buy fewer apples and more oranges, but the CPI won’t update the weights on apples and oranges immediately). That is why the Fed uses PCE as its target index, because it more accurately adjusts for substitution elasticities.

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Roth contributions are withdrawable without penalty. Also most employers offer a match of some amount, which is essentially free money.

Most people here are probably paid too much to contribute to a Roth IRA.

But you can do a backdoor Roth IRA by maxing out your 401k and then rolling it over into a Roth IRA with recharachterization. You lose the tax benefits of the 401k but gain the tax benefits of the Roth IRA which can be a good trade depending on your tax situation.

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The problem with giving financial advice to people is that many struggle to pay their rent. Telling them to invest in index funds from an ivory tower is laughably misguided of the realistic situation they live in. After they pay their rent and feed themselves, they may have a little left over which they will simply spend on basic pleasures, or simply rack up debt to get by. The financial advice ignores the fact that…

I don’t know what this has to do with financial advisors. People in that situation are not seeking investment advice.

> People in that situation are not seeking investment advice

Why do you think poor people often fall into get quick rich schemes? You don't think they are seeking advice?

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The problem with giving financial advice to people is that many struggle to pay their rent. Telling them to invest in index funds from an ivory tower is laughably misguided of the realistic situation they live in. After they pay their rent and feed themselves, they may have a little left over which they will simply spend on basic pleasures, or simply rack up debt to get by. The financial advice ignores the fact that…

>The problem with giving financial advice to people is that many struggle to pay their rent. If you're struggling to pay rent... Your quality of life is too high and you need to reduce it. Straight up. This isn't a wealth inequality issue, it's a "you're overspending" issue.

> This isn't a wealth inequality issue, it's a "you're overspending" issue.

Just so that I understand your position, you think the reason a cashier at McDonald struggles is because he is overspending on his rent? and not due to wealth inequality which causes low wages ?

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