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IBM i (OS/400) the Database Operating System

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Re: IBM i (OS/400) the Database Operating System

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> Here we reach a point that is simultaneously the platform’s greatest advantage and heaviest burden. Due to such deep integration with dedicated and expensive hardware, IBM i is an “elite” system, in the less positive sense. A mere mortal, computer science student, or enthusiast has no chance to “touch” this system in the comfort of their home. You cannot download an ISO image from the internet, install it on a virt…

Amusingly, however - IBM did produce - or worked on - a Laptop AS/400, based on PowerPC for purely internal use. I believe it was designed for sales/marketing types to take on the road for demos

It likely would have been based on the PowerPC-based ThinkPad like laptop they produced which also ran AIX (IBM's version of Unix). like these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Power_Series

Re: IBM i (OS/400) the Database Operating System

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Wow, from the site looks like aix is still alive, as is PowerPC

The PowerPC name is still around although it's mostly around in the form of the POWER ISA used in systems that run AIX and, I believe OS/400. IBM i used to be a largely distinct product line that grew from older IBM minicomputers but a lot of the hardware is now shared with POWER systems running AIX (and Linux?) I've been largely out of this space for a while so I may have some details wrong.

Re: IBM i (OS/400) the Database Operating System

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> Here we reach a point that is simultaneously the platform’s greatest advantage and heaviest burden. Due to such deep integration with dedicated and expensive hardware, IBM i is an “elite” system, in the less positive sense. A mere mortal, computer science student, or enthusiast has no chance to “touch” this system in the comfort of their home. You cannot download an ISO image from the internet, install it on a virt…

> passed down almost like guild knowledge, only within large organizations.

That's the part that always killed me about trying to set foot into IBM mainframes. "Ask your system programmer". "Ask your X/Y/Z". Even when they finally decided to ease up and let people touch z/PDT, they had to make it a massive learning obstacle course to be blessed enough to buy a license (and now that's gone).

Not all of us can go out and acquire an entire IBM z and be blessed enough to be able to throw it in our basements to build up our knowledge on. :\

Re: IBM i (OS/400) the Database Operating System

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TF is even this >Thanks to this, an administrator seeing the string 123456/QUSER/QZDASOINIT immediately knows who and what launched it, without having to map mysterious PID numbers to service names. did old UNIXes didn't have process names or something ? Those are exactly same information (pid/user/process name) UNIX derivatives or hell, windows get Author seems to be blindsided by the "different" enough to not have…

The article was kind of terrible. If it had more emojis I would have said it was an AI generated summary. To really understand how strange AS/400 if you need to read Frank Soltis's book (he was the original architect of it at IBM).

Re: IBM i (OS/400) the Database Operating System

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The article makes me feel the author doesn’t have a deep understanding of some of the mechanisms. TIMI, iirc, is similar to Java (or Smalltalk) bytecode. I’m not sure it’s translated to native instructions on install or on module load, but the native code is kept so that the compilation doesn’t need to happen again. It’s as if the JVM saved a .nativeclass file when a .class file is loaded (kind of one level lower tha…

Considering this article was 100% AI generated (according to Pangram), I doubt the author has much understand in of anything in the article.

Re: IBM i (OS/400) the Database Operating System

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amusingly, however - IBM did produce - or worked on - a Laptop AS/400, based on PowerPC for purely internal use. I believe it was designed for sales/marketing types to take on the road for demos

It likely would have been based on the PowerPC-based ThinkPad like laptop they produced which also ran AIX (IBM's version of Unix). like these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Power_Series

Yes, they ran AIX, NT, OS/2 and Solaris, although the latter two only in half baked betas.

Re: IBM i (OS/400) the Database Operating System

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As a youth a few decades ago I had an opportunity to play with one of these systems at home (and I actually still have it boxed up somewhere). I managed to acquire a 9401 Model 150 that fell off the back of a truck, it came with a 5250 terminal and a heavy box of documentation. Even as a kid who had started playing with linux in high school I really struggled to get it to IPL - the system was seriously weird from anything I had known before. Strangely enough, within two years of that I ended up working for IBM and went on to be trained on servicing AS/400 and iSeries systems. What was fascinating as an outsider coming in to IBM was just how hard they clutched their pearls on the AS/400 system. I also serviced RS/6000 (pSeries) and RS/6000 SP clusters so I saw two different sides of the house operate. I was a typical pimply faced youth eager to learn, and the pSeries guys, both in the field and in IBM training schools were happy to feed me all the info I could digest. When I needed software for testing stuff on my own personal AIX box, stuff would get passed my way no questions asked. On the iSeries side, they would quite literally tell me "no" and shut the door in my face if I was asking too many questions. Despite the fact that OS400 can't be ran on any other hardware than IBM's, IBM guards the SLIC or OS "golden tapes" very jealously. The class for learning how to service iSeries was four weeks long back then, and our brains got crammed full of tons of information. But if I asked questions outside the scope of servicing the hardware I'd still get the door slammed in my face ("that's a different class kid, your manager will have to approve that").

I only worked there for about five years and I am grateful for the experience. I'm also glad I left when I did to avoid becoming "institutionalized" in my thinking as I had witnessed others had become. I have to assume that the pearl clutching came from IBM's experience with Amdahl and its prized mainframe (zSeries). They had become so afraid of competition that they were even afraid us lowly CE's would start freelancing and selling consulting services on the side on OS/400 work. As a result of that, you have a walled garden which is very hard for fresh talent to penetrate and IBM likes it fine that way.

Re: IBM i (OS/400) the Database Operating System

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amusingly, however - IBM did produce - or worked on - a Laptop AS/400, based on PowerPC for purely internal use. I believe it was designed for sales/marketing types to take on the road for demos

It likely would have been based on the PowerPC-based ThinkPad like laptop they produced which also ran AIX (IBM's version of Unix). like these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Power_Series

I was familiar with both the "laptop AS400" and the PowerPC thinkpad - these were different hardware unrelated to each other. I believe the sales demo machine was a CISC architecture demo machine that predated PowerPC, but I'm not 100% confident here. I never laid eyes on the AS400 sales demo machine but we were told about it in IBM AS/400 training school. I also had one of the PowerPC laptops running AIX for a while, nice little machines for the day.
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