Humanity hasn't caught up to the reality of the times; we should adjust copyright laws so anything over say 10 years old can be hosted for free on the Internet. We should have colossal databases of music, books, movies, etc. that can be freely traded and downloaded without breaking any laws. Maybe in the past the commerical protection of art and IP was necessary but with the Internet and AI I think we need to, as a species, get over it and focus on information archival and dissemination over protecting income streams.
The Vanishing Page: AI Firms Scan Then Destroy Rare Book Editions
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#33Why don't they just put the pdf versions on Internet Archives? Then they would at least be preserved for the future
Why don't they rebind them and put it back in some library?
They don't have to throw it out.
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#34Humanity hasn't caught up to the reality of the times; we should adjust copyright laws so anything over say 10 years old can be hosted for free on the Internet. We should have colossal databases of music, books, movies, etc. that can be freely traded and downloaded without breaking any laws. Maybe in the past the commerical protection of art and IP was necessary but with the Internet and AI I think we need to, as a s…
10 years may be too little but generally I agree.
What's blowing my mind lately though is the people complaining about copyright today are some of the same people I saw 30 years ago screaming "Information wants to be free" and running around with the DeCSS code on their T-Shirts. But suddenly, now that they hate AI, copyright is important and the information should be locked away. I can't wait for this all to settle down.
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#35It’s true that they’re destroying old books. The claim that they’re destroying rare books seems to be repeated without much in the way of evidence.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm going to buy a Taylor Swift CD, rip it as MP3s, destroy the CD, and put the MP3s online... Will I get sued?
The "putting it online" part is where you are f-ing up.
But it's transformed now!
Edit(seriously): >Transformativeness is a characteristic of such derivative works that makes them transcend, or place in a new light, the underlying works on which they are based. In computer- and Internet-related works, the transformative characteristic of the later work is often that it provides the public with a benefit not previously available to it, which would otherwise remain unavailable.(Wikipedia)
I am sure Napster or the like argued that what they were doing was transformative.
Not sure how AI companies are arguing about PUBLIC benefit if you have to pay...
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not how copyright works, at all.
It absolutely is. By destroying the original they retain the one copy they were licensed. It explicitly discusses that this was judged fair use in a court of law, because of the destruction of the original, as this becomes a transformation of the original work rather than a duplication. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
So what are they doing about the online data they ingested?
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#39On the surface it seems bad, although many of these books were probably rotting in place rather than being read. If the companies are willing to make the digital version available this may actually prreserve the books. More troubling to me is the focus on pre-2022 data. This indicates that the companies are seriously worried about model collapse, where the future models become worse becuase they are being fed by gene…
Entropy is a thing.
Ancient Rome stopped creating aqueducts because they had all the ones they needed. They failed to pass that knowledge on to the next generation and so they just forgot how to create aqueducts.
Once AI starts making the majority of content, people will simply forget how to make content. Before we know it we're all fat slobs in floating chairs like in Wall-E.
Best case scenario I think is similar to what we see in Ian M. Banks Culture books where the machines basically take care of us out of the goodness of their hearts and we just kinda fuck off into obscurity.
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#40They should at least give the scanned copies to a non-profit or government entity to preserve and release them when the copyright expires.