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Re: Seedance 2.5

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Post by plastic3169 »

BoorishBears wrote: post #36
zmmmmm wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, it has the same essential property that you don't control it any more. The problem with these tools is the lack of fine grained control means there is no room for you to express your individual creative input. Your total input is a few sentences of a prompt, then the AI did all the creative part. If the creative input is what you enjoyed, it is actually not that much more (or even less) here than it was…

I often see this kind of passive-aggressive characterization of the process with AI that's meant to bait people who obviously are expressing their creativity with these models. I hope no one will fall for it: even when you emphatically reply "I spent the last year building the pipelines I use" it'll still be treated as equivalent a couple of sentences relative to the old ways. - At the end of the day, the painful les…

Often in making art you need to love the process. Otherwise you’ll never get good enough. Most filmmakers don’t even watch their films after they have spent years with it discussing, planning, shooting, editing etc. There is lots of travelling, new friendships, comradery involved and in a way it becomes the whole scaffolding of your life. Replacing this with prompting is probably not interesting to this particular group of people, but might be appealing to completely new set of people.

There are people who love coding and really dislike vibecoding, but atleast coding and prompting are the same mode of activity (typing in to a computer) so you don’t have to change your whole life to move from one to another.

Re: Seedance 2.5

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Post by globular-toast »

damsta wrote: post #24

I don't think audio, image or video generation should exist. I haven't seen enough positive applications to justify the amount of harm these tools are being used to cause.

What are the positive applications? This all seems to be generating fake images/videos just because we can, not because it solves any real problems. It makes me wonder where the money is coming from to fund this stuff. Why would a regular person want to generate fake videos except for purposes of deception or debauchery?

Re: Seedance 2.5

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Post by konradb »

zuzululu wrote: post #136
Veedrac wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anybody old enough to remember when https://imagen.research.google/video/ was SOTA?

do you remember that article from google where it would hallucinate as if it was on acid/psychedelics and people going crazy saying this is the AI "imagining reality" and then shortly after some Googler went on a very brief media tour saying LLMs were sentient? its crazy how much people extrapolate, the consensus back then was "cute but we won't get there" then suddenly we got GPT 3.0, 4o, 5.x, seedance what people r…

That phase was amazing, lots of crazy animal faces in iridescent paisley :)

Re: Seedance 2.5

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Post by [deleted] »

jjcm wrote: post #37

The quality is quite high, but an observation is the direction they're taking these models correlates heavily to the usage demand of China vs the West. Specifically, they're immensely focused on t2v for action / high effect shots. There's one human reference shot in the entire release page, and that one doesn't focus on dialog at all. For filmmakers I've talked to in the US, one of the biggest demands they have is v2…

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Re: Seedance 2.5

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Post by yorwba »

r0fl wrote: post #113
kitchi wrote: post #111

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AFAIK there are providers that give you API access to Seedance, like OpenRouter etc.

I’ll try through there but I’m more curious if there is a ChatGPT or Claude monthly subscription that is subsidized by investors to grow so I can play around more freely

From the article:

> Today, Seedance 2.5 is rolling out on Jimeng AI, Doubao Pro, and other platforms, with API access coming soon via BytePlus ModelArk.

Jimeng is https://jimeng.jianying.com/ (I'm pretty sure, there are a lot of copycats, but this one uses Douyin SSO for login, so seems legit) and available in English as "Dreamina" https://dreamina.capcut.com / https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lemon.drea... (note that it's made by Bytedance; on iOS the search results seem to be copycats only) Doubao is https://www.doubao.com / Dola https://www.dola.com in English. There seems to be no way to find out how much a subscription costs without making an account.

Re: Seedance 2.5

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Post by Barbing »

globular-toast wrote: post #172
damsta wrote: post #24

I don't think audio, image or video generation should exist. I haven't seen enough positive applications to justify the amount of harm these tools are being used to cause.

What are the positive applications? This all seems to be generating fake images/videos just because we can, not because it solves any real problems. It makes me wonder where the money is coming from to fund this stuff. Why would a regular person want to generate fake videos except for purposes of deception or debauchery?

Benefit: entertainment

Downsides: *

(Well minus entertainment)

Re: Seedance 2.5

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Post by Barbing »

chrysoprace wrote: post #101
damsta wrote: post #24

I don't think audio, image or video generation should exist. I haven't seen enough positive applications to justify the amount of harm these tools are being used to cause.

While I generally think it's balanced against a lot of negative applications (misinformation, deepfakes, etc.), there are some good applications. I think regulation just hasn't sufficiently caught up with the harm they can cause. To give a good use case (audio generation specifically), the 2002 game Morrowind has had a resurgence lately and it's a really great game, but it lacks fully voiced lines for dialogue. A com…

> They don't take away jobs from artists

Does the game with improvements now better compete against other games with paid human voice actors?

Re: Seedance 2.5

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Post by sho_hn »

sumedh wrote: post #64
sho_hn wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been having some similar thoughts lately about some application spaces being more harmful than others. Coding, for example, seems somewhat benign, because code has to fulfil clear metrics: Either it works or it doesn't. Either it performs or it doesn't. As long as you are able to provide those metrics, you can to some extent treat it as a black box without losing much from a system view (lifecycle, long-term mai…

> pre-pone That is an Indian English word, most non Indian English speakers are not familiar with it. reschedule or bring forward would be more appropriate for a global audience.

I'm not Indian, and I see it used quite a bit by non-Indians :-)

I also don't think it's difficult to understand given the prevalence of "post-pone".

Re: Seedance 2.5

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Post by Barbing »

userbinator wrote: post #116
damsta wrote: post #24

I don't think audio, image or video generation should exist. I haven't seen enough positive applications to justify the amount of harm these tools are being used to cause.

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Some voices are “$politicalParty should win at all costs” and “my ex-spouse should be humiliated” and “my boss should go to jail for the pittance they pay me”, and instead of text opinions posted or voices shouted, there’s video gen to amplify them. They didn’t have the skill to make a convincing fake video themselves but if tools are at their fingertips… temptation.

Really not ideal although obviously amazing artists will do incredible things with the technology that many of us will enjoy.

Cat out of bag, of course.

Re: Seedance 2.5

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Post by InterviewFrog »

rudolftheone wrote: post #161
echelon wrote: post #138

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Which is next to nothing compared to the cost of a movie, animated TV show, or quality YouTube video.

Wait, but you compare the cost of animated show or a movie which is in its final, acceptable quality! The cost of that $15 per 30sec is NOT FINAL - you'll pretty much end up deciding you want another take - either due to some inconsistencies, non-physical movements, or anything else, which screams "that's fake". So the cost is most probably much higher; how much higher? We don't really know, as there are virtually no…

>> The cost of that $15 per 30sec is NOT FINAL - you'll pretty much end up deciding you want another take - either due to some inconsistencies, non-physical movements, or anything else, which screams "that's fake".

Thats true for grok and other models. You need to generate endlessly and cut endlessly and stitch them up together.

but for seedance you pretty much get stellar output which is extremely consistent in a single shot. Like there is a very good chance you will like what you see.

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