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Re: Google has abandoned Google News?

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Post by krackers »

csomar wrote: post #143
driverdan wrote: post #50

What's with big tech companies changing all searches to be fuzzy? FB Marketplace is now like this too. It's impossible to search for anything, it gives unrelated results at least half the time.

They are not fuzzy. They want to funnel you somewhere regardless of where you want to be funneled. Something similar (or worse) happens when I search for a hotel by NAME, Google maps displays the pricing for all hotels. Pure clean garbage.

Amazon is the best example of this. They can surely implement proper search or filtering, but it's not in their interest to do so.

Re: Google has abandoned Google News?

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Post by sireat »

BYazfVCcq wrote: post #31
jubilanti wrote: post #10

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I've tried repeatedly and I cannot replicate any of your results. No matter what I search for, the date filter works. What were you searching for? Please share your full queries and have screenshots that capture the URL as well. edit: You also say this occurs in the "huge majority" of the times you search. You give one cropped screenshot that does not even show your own query. As a journalist, please specify whether…

>No matter what I search for, the date filter works. Can you search for Ceuta and find some articles from 2021? There was a similar incident to the current one in 2021, but searching for it seems to be impossible for me.

Seems to work still

I just tried with following: ceuta morocco spain immigration before:2022/11/01

Top 5:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Morocco%E2%80%93Spain_bor...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57150051

https://www.europeanpapers.eu/europeanforum/unsettling-dejav...

https://www.amnesty.org/zh-hant/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/e...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7U9XmpRPQU

4 out of 5 are about 2021 event and the Amnesty report is about 2006 incident but it was updated in 2021 so my primitive search fits.

I hate modern Google search experience as much as everyone else, but in this particular case you can still get some results.

Re: Google has abandoned Google News?

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Post by tpm »

what wrote: post #195
tpm wrote: post #73

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how old are you? smartphones are strictly better than no smartphones or no mobile phones. internet is better than no internet. etc.

Smartphones are strictly worse than no smartphones.

I remember the time before smartphones. They make many tasks faster, easier, many tasks possible at all and replace specialised devices. You are wrong.

Re: Google has abandoned Google News?

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Post by joelthelion »

slg wrote: post #17

I really can't get over the way almost every piece of consumer technology/software has gotten worse in the last half decade. These companies are killing every goose they can get their hands on because they are so convinced there is some golden goose out there that will be worth more than all those regular geese combined.

This should be a golden opportunity for hackers like us to keep rebuilding this stuff and get bought.

A huge waste and completely demoralizing though.

Re: Google has abandoned Google News?

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Post by inigyou »

alex1138 wrote: post #182
inigyou wrote: post #179

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The what? How can the scientific consensus not be the mainstream view?

It was sloppy wording, sorry. But there were plenty of scientists saying this is ridiculous Given the timing - you wouldn't be the one who flagged all those comments, would you?

There are scientists saying God is real

Re: Google has abandoned Google News?

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Post by inigyou »

tavavex wrote: post #185
inigyou wrote: post #172

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Has strangled. Has squeezed. It's time to start talking about this stuff in past tense. And it's not today's MBAs. It's all MBAs.

Talking in past tense implies that it has ended and that now is a big turning point. From what I see, this will likely continue for the foreseeable future. It's easier to imagine the consequences of this leading us to a large-scale breakdown than it ending.

It has ended because it has completed, not because it has been overturned. The economy has been destroyed. Society has been destroyed. We are living in the post-destruction society right now, but most of everything hasn't caught up with the fact it's been destroyed yet.

We're like a radiation accident victim whose DNA has been completely shredded, but still feels fine for a few days as his cells still have all the proteins they need right now, but can't make new ones to replace the ones that wear out. His fate was sealed the moment he got the radiation dose but the rest of him hasn't caught up.

Re: Google has abandoned Google News?

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Post by duxup »

driverdan wrote: post #50

What's with big tech companies changing all searches to be fuzzy? FB Marketplace is now like this too. It's impossible to search for anything, it gives unrelated results at least half the time.

Amazon Prime app, the search is now AI search, I’m looking for an exact title but I have to make extra clicks to so something simple.

Re: Google has abandoned Google News?

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Post by Gud »

skywhopper wrote: post #149
conradfr wrote: post #144

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Nothing is worst because of the www stack, which is better than it has ever been. The world consume things through mobile apps nowadays.

And they all, universally, are terrible, slow, buggy, confusing, constantly changing, and have terrible UX. It’s no wonder people think it would be a good idea to use an AI to disintermediate their interactions with their computers: it’s because 99% of software is absolute trash.

There are many great apps? Come on, let’s not pretend it all sucks.

As a counter example, Fairtiq.

Re: Google has abandoned Google News?

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Post by onel »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #110
Bolwin wrote: post #60

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It feels like that should be a golden opportunity for competitors, but every time a competitor makes a decent replacement, the big tech company either buys it or briefly invests in their product again to make it good enough and since they have a long tail of users and the network effect, they win by default while still keeping their product mediocre

The solution is non profits or open protocols. Internet Archive. Let’s Encrypt. Signal. Peertube. Jitsi. AT Proto. (not an exhaustive list) Competition is not the way out, but building public goods through corporate entity structures that are protected from the usual capitalist forms of acquisition (B Corps are not required to maximize value, non profits can be made almost impossible to acquire through incorporation…

I totally agree with this but it doesn't have to be a non-profit. Perfectly fine if you you build a for-profit company on top of open public standards.

Re: Google has abandoned Google News?

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Post by roryirvine »

jsnell wrote: post #198
Bolwin wrote: post #60

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It feels like that should be a golden opportunity for competitors, but every time a competitor makes a decent replacement, the big tech company either buys it or briefly invests in their product again to make it good enough and since they have a long tail of users and the network effect, they win by default while still keeping their product mediocre

There's no business in straight-up news aggregation. Google News is purely a public service (it isn't monetized) and a liability (see the regular attempts by governments to make Google pay for news). Anybody with any kind of business in that space is running much more of a social network / discussion / gamification angle. There's a bunch of tiny Google products like that. Google Reader is a good example of this -- th…

In the twentieth century, government regulation was used to encourage corporations to provide these sort of quasi-public services alongside their more profitable lines of business, and to maintain them even when times where hard.

In the late 2000s, it seemed that the new wave of tech giants had a deliberate strategy of voluntarily providing similar services in order to demonstrate that they could be responsible stewards without being forced to do so. A stroke of genius, people said, which meant that they could avoid sclerosing regulation, allowing them to remain nimble in the long run.

But that has completely broken down over the past decade. Google left non-core services to rot. Twitter trashed the digital town square. Facebook set people against each other to maximise engagement.

We should remember this for the next time an industry claims to be able to self-regulate. They can't - at least, not for long, not if there's a chance to make $100bn rather than just $99bn.

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