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AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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People in this thread are massively underestimating the level of financial illiteracy in the general population. We've had multiple people try to convince us to set up bank accounts for our kids, so that they could accumulate interest over 18 years. More that tried to convince me to gamble on random pump and dump shitcoins. More still that talked about "investing" in random collectables like Funko Pops or Pokemon car…

The other stuff sounds scammy. But what's wrong with setting up savings accounts for your kids? It's a good way to teach them to save money. I was 10 years old or so when my parents set me up a bank account with $100 in it. I saw the statements every month and started putting money I earned into it. I had that account until I left home at 17, and it had several thousand dollars in it by then. I think that was actuall…

For a minute I thought your comment was a lead in to this south park skit: https://youtu.be/-DT7bX-B1Mg

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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The other stuff sounds scammy. But what's wrong with setting up savings accounts for your kids? It's a good way to teach them to save money. I was 10 years old or so when my parents set me up a bank account with $100 in it. I saw the statements every month and started putting money I earned into it. I had that account until I left home at 17, and it had several thousand dollars in it by then. I think that was actuall…

Inflation will erode the value of money just sitting in an account. Even if you lock it up and get better interest the results will get dwarfed by investing in broad, passive, and low fee funds.

yeah but the two are different things no? Like yes if you take more risk with even diversified, passive funds you will like get more volatility which could go either way. There is no way you can know it will drawf interest rates provided by the bank which are designed not to beat inflation but prevent your cash from getting eaten away by the inflation as opposed to sitting in your basement locker etc.

Also the idea doesn't seem to be "hey kids beat the market and get the best returns" but to gradually show the value of accumulated savings? They can also contribute their own earnings to those savings and at that age it is better to keep it in bank and accumulate interest than invest even in diversified low risk funds if your objective is to get the best savings by the time you are an adult and then you can decide what you want to invest in.

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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post #260

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The other stuff sounds scammy. But what's wrong with setting up savings accounts for your kids? It's a good way to teach them to save money. I was 10 years old or so when my parents set me up a bank account with $100 in it. I saw the statements every month and started putting money I earned into it. I had that account until I left home at 17, and it had several thousand dollars in it by then. I think that was actuall…

Inflation will erode the value of money just sitting in an account. Even if you lock it up and get better interest the results will get dwarfed by investing in broad, passive, and low fee funds.

yeah but you get essentially 0 risk (especially if the bank is insured)

risk is proportional to gain

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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What's the best place to put money for my 6 year old son or best strategy to follow? ChatGPT: 529 college savings or custodial brokerage or custodial Roth IRA. 80-100% diversified in us. Optionally adds international. Advertisement: >SoFi Online Savings Account Better Banking is Here To Stay. Up to 3.10% APY and No Account Fees. Terms apply. GLM 4.7: 529 / Roth IRA / UGMA broad, low-cost index funds for example VTI.…

Why ask GLM-4.7 instead of GLM-5.2?

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Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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Sadly, also hyper-unrealistic. Very few people can afford to save 20% of their income whilst maxing pension contributions, let alone maximising other accounts. Points 1, 3 and 5 are probably the key ones and would still stretch most people.

I was saving 20% a year when I was making $36k a year and spending $800/mo on an apartment in the tenderloin. In 1997. It's called beans and rice. I'm still saving 20% a year, making $200k a year and owning a house. Yes, you can do it. Stop buying shoes, clothes, rims, and video games and you've probably got 20% right there. Oh, and don't get married.

What an exciting life you got there! Enjoy your sad and lonely retirement

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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post #261

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The other stuff sounds scammy. But what's wrong with setting up savings accounts for your kids? It's a good way to teach them to save money. I was 10 years old or so when my parents set me up a bank account with $100 in it. I saw the statements every month and started putting money I earned into it. I had that account until I left home at 17, and it had several thousand dollars in it by then. I think that was actuall…

For a minute I thought your comment was a lead in to this south park skit: https://youtu.be/-DT7bX-B1Mg

lol. Never saw that. But it totally brought back being dragged into a bank by my Mom and sitting at a desk across from a bank rep and signing forms... I even remember exactly where the desk was in the bank. CalFed. Matt and/or Trey obviously had the same experience hahah

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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I never personally liked the blanket advice to "Max your 401k." For most, if achievable at all, that would be the most they can invest at all. Even though it is often recommended alongside a proper "emergency fund," that advice leaves little liquidity without major penalties.

I actually had a great session with Gemini pushing back on the "Max 401k" advice. Summarized in my own words: - Why would I contribute tons more to my already decent 401k? If anything, I want to pull from it. I refuse to diminish the peak years of me and my family's life together just to be wealthy when I'm old and alone. - that's a good point, but know you'll pay tax on top of 10% - well I would have paid tax anyway…

The problem of money mattering more when you are younger is something that often appears in personal finance discussions. One thing is consumption but another are opportunities to invest in yourself. There is case for not saving at all when you are young (because there are always good way the money can be spent).

Here is some good discussion that touches on it (and other FIRE related topics):

https://youtu.be/qstjUV5mh-I

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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People in this thread are massively underestimating the level of financial illiteracy in the general population. We've had multiple people try to convince us to set up bank accounts for our kids, so that they could accumulate interest over 18 years. More that tried to convince me to gamble on random pump and dump shitcoins. More still that talked about "investing" in random collectables like Funko Pops or Pokemon car…

I'm generally very critical of the idea that people are relying on ai, but the thing I didn't realize in the past and that I see many like me haven't is that the literacy of an average citizen is surprising low. I know people who get very useful life advice from these models. Life advice anyone over 16 should know, but that doesn't matter. This trust people incorrectly put in models means they actually listen. And SO…

> I still get very anxious at the idea of people relying on llms though. It just works out more often than we think.

We should all be anxious about technology which is almost guaranteed to turn into metaphorical mind control. Some day these systems will be turned into highly personalized and effective brainwashing machines and topple our supposed democracies overnight. The more people trust them and rely on them, the easier it gets.

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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“Pay your bills on time and fully” “Do what you can to eliminate addictive vices or never get them” “Max your Roth and 401k contributions before even thinking about anything else” “Try to budget” “Don’t live beyond your means. Monthly payment need to be considered carefully” If you can even TRY to do these things it puts you SO far ahead of the average person. It sucks because I get it, if you’re behind waiting years…

I never personally liked the blanket advice to "Max your 401k." For most, if achievable at all, that would be the most they can invest at all. Even though it is often recommended alongside a proper "emergency fund," that advice leaves little liquidity without major penalties.

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Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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What’s wrong with bank accounts for your kids? Sorry, this one doesn’t seem to fit with your other examples.

Bank account interest is pretty much always less than inflation. So, money sitting in a bank account for 18 years is just losing value.

While banks often pay crap rates, real rates (e.g. from government bonds) have largely been positive (except the short end after GFC and COVID).

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/REAINTRATREARAT10Y

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/REAINTRATREARAT1YE

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