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Linux desktop market share has hit over 10% in North America

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Re: Linux desktop market share has hit over 10% in North America

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It's obvious that Microsoft doesn't even want to be in the consumer desktop OS market anymore, they'd rather pivot to being pure B2B like IBM did. Likewise, it's obvious that the future of MacOS is continued iOS-ification and infantilization of their OS until it will eventually be useless for anything except developing iOS apps. So neither major player will bother spending a marketing budget to reverse this trend; th…

What have they iOSed about macOS? The latest versions haven’t lost any features as far as I’m aware. But Windows lost the ability to even pin the task bar to the side of the window in Windows 11… and the ability to stop auto updates. If anything, iOS is getting more Mac-like, especially the iPad version. It has multi windowing and a window manager now.

> What have they iOSed about macOS?

How about this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959

Re: Linux desktop market share has hit over 10% in North America

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I think the main split between hardcore "GNU/Linux" guys and the general tech world is about principle vs pragmatism.

The hardcore crowd see free software as a right that needs to be fought for, whereas others see open source as nothing more than a way to modify or improve software without requiring explicit support from the publishers.

And there are many, many parts of Linux that make the software "freer" but worse.

Re: Linux desktop market share has hit over 10% in North America

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And increasingly, reposting crap from Reddit.

I recently googled the phrase "German Jews who voted for NSDAP" after seeing it mentioned in passing The AI overview contained the construction "Consensus on Reddit is..." What a time to be alive, I guess

Nevermind the AI crap, your search query requiring a disclaimer (“after seeing it mentioned in passing”) is more worrying than anything else.

Re: Linux desktop market share has hit over 10% in North America

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Unfortunately, Cloudflare does not agree if you filter for "likely human", which results in 6%. If you include bots, it hits 9.3%. https://radar.cloudflare.com/explorer?dataSet=http&groupBy=o...

It’s still really strange that Linux is several times larger than ChromeOS. I would not have guessed this. And I daily drove Linux for years.

You have to buy a Chromebook to run ChromeOS, right? You can install Linux on your PC as dual boot. The investment is far smaller. However you have to buy a Mac to run MacOS so maybe that means that a Chromebook is not a very compelling machine to buy, or has a limited use case.

Re: Linux desktop market share has hit over 10% in North America

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And increasingly, reposting crap from Reddit.

I recently googled the phrase "German Jews who voted for NSDAP" after seeing it mentioned in passing The AI overview contained the construction "Consensus on Reddit is..." What a time to be alive, I guess

For some reason the AI overview model likes to pick up stuff from Reddit a lot. I guess, once you get to more niche topics, it's easier to find some stuff on Reddit because Google has stopped properly indexing/ranking the small web.

Very often, AI overview states something as a fact (Consensus on Reddit would be a lot better, because it at least indicates that it is bullshitting using Reddit), but when you click on the sources, it's extracted from what a random Redditor says without any proof whatsoever.

Re: Linux desktop market share has hit over 10% in North America

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It’s still really strange that Linux is several times larger than ChromeOS. I would not have guessed this. And I daily drove Linux for years.

You have to buy a Chromebook to run ChromeOS, right? You can install Linux on your PC as dual boot. The investment is far smaller. However you have to buy a Mac to run MacOS so maybe that means that a Chromebook is not a very compelling machine to buy, or has a limited use case.

I don't believe this for a moment. I have seen many more Chromebook users than desktop Linux users. Not individuals, but a lot of schools use Chromebooks where I am. They are probably not well-tallied in the results, because they are often used to do some work in Google Docs/Sheets, plus some education-specific sites and less browsing on the general web.

I guess my point is that it is nearly impossible to get reliable counts from user agent statistics, etc. (lots of crawlers, that identify as a regular desktop as well etc.). The best way would probably to do real-world surveys among random population samples. But that costs money/time.

Re: Linux desktop market share has hit over 10% in North America

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Also, Chromebooks.

I don't think I've ever seen a single chromebook in the wild being used by a real person for real. I am sure they exist of course. I must have even seen one and forgotten it. But in all the years since they have existed, and all the varied people I've come in contact with in all those years, if I can't think of any, then the percentage is low. I think a relative's kid had one issued in high school a few years ago. Th…

My wife has one. Been rock solid for years. I recommend them to relatives who just do email and browsing etc.

Re: Linux desktop market share has hit over 10% in North America

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Also, Chromebooks.

I don't think I've ever seen a single chromebook in the wild being used by a real person for real. I am sure they exist of course. I must have even seen one and forgotten it. But in all the years since they have existed, and all the varied people I've come in contact with in all those years, if I can't think of any, then the percentage is low. I think a relative's kid had one issued in high school a few years ago. Th…

I have seen several because family members have owned them. They are nondescript black rectangles that are owned by cheap people and kids. There is no reason for you to notice them in particular and it's useful to remember our perception isn't a representative sample of anything.

Re: Linux desktop market share has hit over 10% in North America

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I recently googled the phrase "German Jews who voted for NSDAP" after seeing it mentioned in passing The AI overview contained the construction "Consensus on Reddit is..." What a time to be alive, I guess

For some reason the AI overview model likes to pick up stuff from Reddit a lot. I guess, once you get to more niche topics, it's easier to find some stuff on Reddit because Google has stopped properly indexing/ranking the small web. Very often, AI overview states something as a fact ( Consensus on Reddit would be a lot better, because it at least indicates that it is bullshitting using Reddit), but when you click on…

Reddit has a deal with Google since a few years back, and they are looking to get out of it.

https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/reddit-rdd...

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