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China begins producing advanced chipmaking deep-ultraviolet lithography machines

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Re: China begins producing advanced chipmaking deep-ultraviolet lithography machines

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This, these news organizations have no f'n clue. China this, China that, it's all part of the 10 billion China spends on b.s to feed the Americans that they are behind or they are useless and that they don't stand a chance.... China is on the verge of collapse walking the razors edge.

Schrödinger's economy https://thediplomat.com/2015/03/why-do-people-keep-predictin...

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Re: China begins producing advanced chipmaking deep-ultraviolet lithography machines

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Schrödinger's economy https://thediplomat.com/2015/03/why-do-people-keep-predictin...

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^^Please don't do this^^

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: China begins producing advanced chipmaking deep-ultraviolet lithography machines

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After living and working in China 10yrs and fundamentally experiencing the growth rate and culture, it's been a bit horrifying to watch the Western world consistently decide withholding tech from China and giving them no other option but develop their own tech, is a good idea. They are the ultimate long-term planners and I have no doubt the existing gaps will be relatively short lived before China closes them.

I worked in China for 9 years and I really don’t think it makes much of a difference. China is not dumb enough to think that just because they can get it from the west today they can get it from them tomorrow. They were always going to develop their own semiconductor and jet turbine tech and industries, among other. They didn’t do it just to spite the west for not selling them the chips they wanted.

Sure but nobody in the world is denying that China's recent lightspeed advances in these areas isn't due to the trade war Trump started in his first term. It had an immediate and massive impact on China's economy and they had an equally massive response to it. China experienced the equivalent of the 1973 energy crisis that the US experienced in response to its role in the 1973 Yom Kippur War

Re: China begins producing advanced chipmaking deep-ultraviolet lithography machines

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When China eventually catches up on conventional lithography, the goalposts will simply shift to silicon photonics and optical logic, a transition DARPA laid the publicly visible groundwork for decades ago through programs like POEM and PIPES while keeping the mature implementations strictly classified until needed.

Re: China begins producing advanced chipmaking deep-ultraviolet lithography machines

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After living and working in China 10yrs and fundamentally experiencing the growth rate and culture, it's been a bit horrifying to watch the Western world consistently decide withholding tech from China and giving them no other option but develop their own tech, is a good idea. They are the ultimate long-term planners and I have no doubt the existing gaps will be relatively short lived before China closes them.

I don't see how the alternatives ends any differently? We manufacture in China, they copy the products with lower margins then western companies can't compete on price.

  they copy the products with lower margins then western companies can't compete on price.
I think this is outdated thinking in 2026. It's more like western companies go to China, look at designs that China has done, buy them in bulk directly from the factory, ask for small modifications, then slap their own logos on the products.

Then these western brands add a big markup on the products. So it isn't that western companies can't compete on price. It's just that the prices from Chinese companies are much closer to the source without western markup.

A huge portion of products you're buying on Amazon from western brands were actually fully designed and manufactured in China.

Not only that, go to a trade fair in China and you'll see that many of their products have surpassed the West in quality and design. They just haven't been exported to the west for various reasons including tariffs, marketing, no western partner. A big business opportunity in the next few years is to figure out how to help Chinese businesses export worldwide - usually marketing/branding/localization expertise.

Re: China begins producing advanced chipmaking deep-ultraviolet lithography machines

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Unpopular opinion: if you do not want to pay $500 a month for Claude Max, maybe let China keep pushing engineering optimization. The U.S. and China should compete.

The US does not want to compete with China. There’s no profit in it when compared to the riches available from having a captive marketplace.

Doesn’t China heavily restrict competition in its domestic markets? Probably only North Korea is worse.

China is one of the most restrictive countries but expects full access to US market behaving like a US state or territory in its claims to US domestic markets lol.

Last time I checked, China is not a US province or territory but maybe that is the state of affairs China aspires to in the long term with Trump looking to add a new state.

Re: China begins producing advanced chipmaking deep-ultraviolet lithography machines

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Think for the most part the opposite is being said? That the Chinese will eventually develop their own DUV and EUV technology.

Yeah, no one in with decent knowledge of tech would think a cutting edge nation like China couldn't figure this out.

Re: China begins producing advanced chipmaking deep-ultraviolet lithography machines

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True but also catching up to an existing tech is a much different game than creating it from scratch. Hiring people who have the right knowledge can speed that up.

The core stuff is under heavy lock and key. I’m not sure China can hire people that know the whole process, let alone the bits and pieces they can’t easily figure out on their own. The tech seems to have been locked down by a few western countries, and it’s hard to find any holes in their secrecy.

Espionage
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