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NetBSD 11.0

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Re: NetBSD 11.0

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Post by wormius »

saghm wrote: post #60
wormius wrote: post #55

Not about BSD, but anybody else using side tabs in FF with that site? Somehow the rendering of that dashed line at the top runs across into the "pinned tabs" section. (Linux/Wayland/Debian). Curious if anyone else is seeing it.

I just tried opening it (Linux/Wayland/Arch, and I already had number of tabs pinned to the side on Firefox), and I don't seem to have the same issue. I do have some custom styling in my Firefox though (legacy userChrome.css) and have it using my system theme, so that might cause some difference in addition to whatever differences might be in our compositors (not sure if yours is using kwin; I'm also guessing we prob…

Yeah that could be. Plenty of issues could cause it (though I am using KWin as compositor). Maybe it's fixed by now, or just a glitch on my end.

EDIT: This is weird. My monitor has different modes including sRGB. I had it in a gaming mode (higher contrast, etc...) and it shows then, but in sRGB it doesn't show.

I took screenshots and when viewing there, regardless of screen mode, it's rendering fine, so clearly it must be a monitor issue of some sort. Odd that it would render in every non-sRGB mode, but be fine in sRGB.

Re: NetBSD 11.0

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Post by helterskelter »

NetBSD is the only nix I've ever been able to use for novel (for me) tasks without consulting the internet for help; the design is so clean and the documentation complete that I never felt the need for outside help. I love the package management system. Definitely my desert island OS.

Re: NetBSD 11.0

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Post by bigfatkitten »

mghackerlady wrote: post #41
Narishma wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenBSD removed the Bluetooth support they had due to security reasons.

Specifically, their old bluetooth code was crap so they chose to get rid of it. If someone wants to have OpenBSD bluetooth, they'll gladly accept patches if the code meets their very strict standards

I don’t think a non-crap general purpose Bluetooth stack exists. The “specification” is garbage and the implementations tend to be garbage also.

Re: NetBSD 11.0

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Post by rootnod3 »

somat wrote: post #51
haberman wrote: post #29

I often wonder what the current status is of the BSDs (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD). Who uses them, who works on them, what is their motivation for doing so? How do they compare to Linux these days, in terms of size, feature set, security hardening, etc? Is their usage/development happening at a relatively constant level, or is it growing/shrinking?

I use obsd as a desktop system, I would not necessarily recommend this to anyone, you give up a lot, but obsd is my ultimate comfort system, it is small but full featured. I feel I understand the system far more than I ever did linux, which is one of the good guys. Compare to windows where despite using it my whole life I always feel I understand barely at all. But openbsd is so well put together I love using it, So…

Absolutely. My daily driver on all my machines. My homelab started with FreeBSD on all machines with liberal use of jails. Now it is fully OpenBSD and only the file server is running FreeBSD now. All laptops are also OpenBSD, even the M2 Macbook Air

Re: NetBSD 11.0

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Post by JdeBP »

sunshine-o wrote: post #67
somat wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use obsd as a desktop system, I would not necessarily recommend this to anyone, you give up a lot, but obsd is my ultimate comfort system, it is small but full featured. I feel I understand the system far more than I ever did linux, which is one of the good guys. Compare to windows where despite using it my whole life I always feel I understand barely at all. But openbsd is so well put together I love using it, So…

I am tempted, how do you deal with the non journalized filesystem? This is the one "modern" comfort that makes me hesitant to try.

For comparison: NetBSD, as headlined, supports Berkeley LFS and WAPBL journalling on FFS.

Re: NetBSD 11.0

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Post by jaypatelani »

jballanc wrote: post #104

When I was in graduate school, I was doing a lot of molecular dynamics simulations, but I did not have access to a lot of high-performance hardware. The math department had a 4-node Cray that was impossible to reserve time on, and the CS department had a 16-node Dell cluster that ran SGE and was decently reliable. When those resources ended up not being enough for my crazy array of tasks, I got resourceful and starte…

Wow. Awesome.

Re: NetBSD 11.0

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Post by jaypatelani »

Panino wrote: post #42

From the linked release announcement: > Improvements to the npf(7) firewall, including layer 2 and user/group filtering That's a valuable, useful feature > New MICROVM kernel for x86... it can boot in about 10 ms That could open some doors, nice There are some good hardware improvements too.

Check out https://smolbsd.org/

Re: NetBSD 11.0

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Post by miladyincontrol »

mvanveen wrote: post #81
haberman wrote: post #29

I often wonder what the current status is of the BSDs (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD). Who uses them, who works on them, what is their motivation for doing so? How do they compare to Linux these days, in terms of size, feature set, security hardening, etc? Is their usage/development happening at a relatively constant level, or is it growing/shrinking?

One of NetBSD’s strengths and emphases is portability. They have a motto- “of course it runs NetBSD.” IIRC NetBSD was ported to Apple Silicon slightly before Asahi Linux succeeded. Another cool corollary to this ethos is the portability of their portage, pkgsrc. I’ve personally used it as the basis of my user space packaging system on a Linux From Scratch distribution I made during the pandemic and the results were a…

Ported to apple silicon before Asahi is definitely a stretch, single cpu core, storage "barely" working with several hacks, graphics simialrly. Iirc they still required the Asahi folk to do a lot of the heavy lifting for device tree bindings, meaningfully functional bootloading, etc.

Even now the situation there is still rather dire even by bsd standards.

Re: NetBSD 11.0

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Post by miladyincontrol »

efxhoy wrote: post #59
haberman wrote: post #29

I often wonder what the current status is of the BSDs (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD). Who uses them, who works on them, what is their motivation for doing so? How do they compare to Linux these days, in terms of size, feature set, security hardening, etc? Is their usage/development happening at a relatively constant level, or is it growing/shrinking?

I recently switched my router from pfsense to OpenBSD. I wanted a “vanilla” OS as opposed to a specific router OS like Opnsense. The setup on openbsd was very straightforward. I had to read up a bit and claude helped getting ipv6 and vlans up. Had I ignored ipv6 it would have been ready in half an hour from just reading man pages and official docs. The only reason ipv6 took longer is because I had no idea how it work…

Running my firewall on nixos these days and honestly I havent felt the need to have to make many decisions. You dont have to pick a firewall on linux, nftables is standard pretty much everywhere. Most the software outside of that is the same you'd be using there, but dare I argue often far more optimized on the linux side of things. Drivers especially so.

Far easier to have declaratively configured and services all meaningfully isolated. Miss me with dozens of root scripts integrated in some web ui or updates that can break the system the moment you step outside their basic expected workflows.

Re: NetBSD 11.0

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Post by zenlot »

jaypatelani wrote: post #116
jballanc wrote: post #104

When I was in graduate school, I was doing a lot of molecular dynamics simulations, but I did not have access to a lot of high-performance hardware. The math department had a 4-node Cray that was impossible to reserve time on, and the CS department had a 16-node Dell cluster that ran SGE and was decently reliable. When those resources ended up not being enough for my crazy array of tasks, I got resourceful and starte…

Wow. Awesome.

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