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AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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People in this thread are massively underestimating the level of financial illiteracy in the general population. We've had multiple people try to convince us to set up bank accounts for our kids, so that they could accumulate interest over 18 years. More that tried to convince me to gamble on random pump and dump shitcoins. More still that talked about "investing" in random collectables like Funko Pops or Pokemon car…

> You could replace the AI with a piece of paper […]

This is actually the 'schtick' of a book that was written ten years ago:

> Emails and comments on his blog asked for a real index card with financial advice, so Pollack jotted down nine rules in two minutes, took a picture of it, and posted it online.[1][4] The image went viral, and was covered on many internet news sites.[4][5][6] Pollack and Olen wrote The Index Card three years later, which Pollack compares with the original index card as commentary to the Ten Commandments.[1][7]

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Index_Card

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The original index card, pictured above, has:[9]

    1. Max your 401(k) or equivalent employee contribution.
    2. Buy inexpensive, well-diversified mutual funds such as Vanguard Target 20xx funds.
    3. Never buy or sell an individual security. The person on the other side of the table knows more than you do about this stuff.
    4. Save 20% of your money.
    5. Pay your credit card balance in full every month.
    6. Maximize tax-advantaged savings vehicles like Roth, SEP, and 529 accounts.
    7. Pay attention to fees. Avoid actively managed funds.
    8. Make financial advisors commit to the fiduciary standard.
    9. Promote social insurance programs to help people when things go wrong.
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All-in-all, not terribly bad advice; one could do a lot worse.

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

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People in this thread are massively underestimating the level of financial illiteracy in the general population. We've had multiple people try to convince us to set up bank accounts for our kids, so that they could accumulate interest over 18 years. More that tried to convince me to gamble on random pump and dump shitcoins. More still that talked about "investing" in random collectables like Funko Pops or Pokemon car…

What’s wrong with bank accounts for your kids? Sorry, this one doesn’t seem to fit with your other examples.

You should invest in different things depending on your age.

An old person might want to have more of their money in yielding assets. They are withdrawing from the account so the certainty of having predictable value might outweigh the inflation risk.

Savings intended for a young child should be allocated almost entirely into equities. They are not affected by drawdowns since they won't be withdrawing from the account for a decade or two, but inflation is a primary concern.

A bank account is a particularly bad place to put savings intended for a child long-term. A good high yielding account might barely keep pace with inflation, but it's unlikely to grow much in real terms. The average bank account will lose money in real terms in that 10-20 years.

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

#164

People in this thread are massively underestimating the level of financial illiteracy in the general population. We've had multiple people try to convince us to set up bank accounts for our kids, so that they could accumulate interest over 18 years. More that tried to convince me to gamble on random pump and dump shitcoins. More still that talked about "investing" in random collectables like Funko Pops or Pokemon car…

> We've had multiple people try to convince us to set up bank accounts for our kids, so that they could accumulate interest over 18 years.

I don’t really see the problem here? Why wouldn’t you want to set up financial accounts for your children and invest in them?

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

#165
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I use YNAB ( https://www.ynab.com/ ) for budgeting so I already had all of my financial data in a single source. Exporting the CSVs locally and asking Claude to be my financial advisor legitimately gave me good advice. Not just nagging me to save more (which is always useful), but how to organize my budget categories better, detecting longer term spending patterns I wasn't thinking much about, researching credit card…

> I use YNAB

I was happy to pay for YNAB4, which was local-only data. I have no interest in paying a subscription for YNAB5 when I have no need for cloud-access or cross-device syncing.

If YNAB5 was one-time purchase plus optional syncing, I'd consider the one-time outlay.

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

#166

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LFSPA. Not risk free, but not volatile either. Although even that underperforms compared to an index fund.

Index funds are not risk free! We have had a solid 15 years and everyone forgot that there are decades of declines or stagnation.

LFSPA is a cap note, not an index fund. Hence the lower returns, haha.

Not saying it's necessarily the ideal vehicle but anything beats the banks.

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

#167

People in this thread are massively underestimating the level of financial illiteracy in the general population. We've had multiple people try to convince us to set up bank accounts for our kids, so that they could accumulate interest over 18 years. More that tried to convince me to gamble on random pump and dump shitcoins. More still that talked about "investing" in random collectables like Funko Pops or Pokemon car…

“Pay your bills on time and fully” “Do what you can to eliminate addictive vices or never get them” “Max your Roth and 401k contributions before even thinking about anything else” “Try to budget” “Don’t live beyond your means. Monthly payment need to be considered carefully” If you can even TRY to do these things it puts you SO far ahead of the average person. It sucks because I get it, if you’re behind waiting years…

> If you can even TRY to do these things it puts you SO far ahead of the average person.

This is basically the advice of this 2016 post (later book):

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Index_Card

The basics are really basic/simple.

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

#168

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I never personally liked the blanket advice to "Max your 401k." For most, if achievable at all, that would be the most they can invest at all. Even though it is often recommended alongside a proper "emergency fund," that advice leaves little liquidity without major penalties.

Roth contributions are withdrawable without penalty. Also most employers offer a match of some amount, which is essentially free money.

Most people here are probably paid too much to contribute to a Roth IRA.

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

#169

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The banks might pay 3% interest, whereas even non-volatile conservative investments like cap notes or bonds would pay something like 7%. Plugging it into a calculator: 1.03 ^ 18 = 1.70 1.07 ^ 18 = 3.37 Example numbers, but you're effectively taking half of the money that your kid would have had on their 18th birthday, and giving it to a banker.

You’re not giving it to a banker, you’re trading risk for return and flexibility. One can access savings at any time, any amount. Not true with bonds, maybe if you fiddle with indices. Also bond returns have averaged 5% over decades, not 7. Not taking all this into account, and simply claiming bogey men took your money, is misleading.

While true, funds for retirement, college or to give as a gift when your kids move out do not need liquidity. Therefore, those should not be in savings.

Re: AI financial advice is surprisingly good, especially if you ask right questions

#170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Pay your bills on time and fully” “Do what you can to eliminate addictive vices or never get them” “Max your Roth and 401k contributions before even thinking about anything else” “Try to budget” “Don’t live beyond your means. Monthly payment need to be considered carefully” If you can even TRY to do these things it puts you SO far ahead of the average person. It sucks because I get it, if you’re behind waiting years…

I never personally liked the blanket advice to "Max your 401k." For most, if achievable at all, that would be the most they can invest at all. Even though it is often recommended alongside a proper "emergency fund," that advice leaves little liquidity without major penalties.

> I never personally liked the blanket advice to "Max your 401k."

I think the general advice is max out employer contributions to your 401(k)

* https://old.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/wiki/commontopics

* https://old.reddit.com/r/PersonalFinanceCanada/wiki/money-st...

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