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Just because a game is on disc doesn't mean it will work in the future

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Re: Just because a game is on disc doesn't mean it will work in the future

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Not a great article, but a very real phenomenon. I recently picked up a banned Nintendo Switch Lite for cheap -- meaning it can't download games or updates off Nintendo's servers, but it can still play cartridge games. And while most games function, there are more often than not critical fixes or significant content updates missing. The console exists in a strange sort of limbo where everything is playable but not in…

The lite is hackable with enough effort. You could probably sideload updates and such.

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Discs don’t matter. The whole “bring back discs” thing is pointless. They’re gone. Period. Rights matter. If we had the same rights with digital purchases we had with old physical games the disc thing would be a much much smaller issue. Would many care outside true collectors? Don’t confuse the two. If you do, and you complain loudly enough, you’ll get the monkey’s paw version of discs. All the downsides of both, no…

Legal rights don't matter if the other party is ever liquidated, or otherwise unable to meet their obligations.

And just like that, you're part of the problem

Re: Just because a game is on disc doesn't mean it will work in the future

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I’ve run into several games that will not launch at all of you don’t have galaxy or galaxy has no internet.

Interesting - I have (fortunately) not run into these issues (yet), but found a list (with specifics) at https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singlep... Most of the listed games seem to be playable but with some content locked behind DRM, galaxy, or online connectivity. Overall it does seem like they are trying to live up to their DRM-free claim/promise, but it looks like there are still a few annoyin…

Yeah overall very happy with it. I think those games that fail to launch are more just bad code more than anything.

Edit: looks like a couple of my games that had issues have been patched, nice. Thanks for that link.

Re: Just because a game is on disc doesn't mean it will work in the future

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Not a great article, but a very real phenomenon. I recently picked up a banned Nintendo Switch Lite for cheap -- meaning it can't download games or updates off Nintendo's servers, but it can still play cartridge games. And while most games function, there are more often than not critical fixes or significant content updates missing. The console exists in a strange sort of limbo where everything is playable but not in…

They should be required to unban a console given a clear proof of purchase from a previous owner

Re: Just because a game is on disc doesn't mean it will work in the future

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jezus fucking christ, stop defending the fucking corporation sucking everything dry you will own nothing and enjoy it

I don't think this is a defense of digital-only sales so much as a reality check that even physical game sales have been consumer-hostile for a long time.

Re: Just because a game is on disc doesn't mean it will work in the future

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Disc is a manifestation of right. Without this they will screw people without them even noticing

It’s a pretend manifestation, as the article points out.

It cannot be a "pretend" manifestation, when a physical disc that requires nothing more than an official piece of hardware to use continues to work 100 years into the future (assuming the physical hardware survives that long.) Those are the "rights" that are being fought for in this instance.

I'm interested to understand the self-denial and mental gymnastics you're using to make the claim: physically owning something that cannot be taken away from you is just pretending that you physically own something that cannot be taken away from you.

The wedding ring on my finger cannot be taken away from me by the person who made it. It's mine. I can wear it for the next 50 years or I can throw it to a river. Those are my rights as the owner of the physical medium.

There's no pretending happening here.

Re: Just because a game is on disc doesn't mean it will work in the future

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The discs have been a formality for longer than most gamers understand or want to admit. Sony is discontinuing disc sales as a response to how gamers are buying games not the other way around. So it's an irrational response but an understandable emotional response. It's a final marker of an era that realistically ended more than a decade ago. That video games are not an island: an enclosed experience of just you, the…

With the exception of a few (regrettable) "game key" cards, physical Switch 1/2 games are usually playable offline with just the game card and the console. This is part of the appeal of Nintendo consoles - you don't need to connect them to the internet, and they are still terrific for local multiplayer.

On the Switch 2 the game key card only needs the internet to download the game initially. Once it’s downloaded the GKC authorizes the license totally offline and you can play offline like any other cartridge. You’d only need internet for online features like any other game.

If you have another Switch with the game already on it you can even download the game from that Switch using the “match version” feature and then play with the GKC to authorize the license, no internet required.

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Steam's policy is that an already published game can only be delisted, allowing old owners to still play the game. I still own the original versions of Skyrim (before Anniversary edition, definitive edition, and all other *ditions), and I can still download it and play it, even though that version is not available for purchase in the store anymore. Xbox and PSN don't have such luxuries AFAIK, after a game is removed…

Yes but they can force new versions with limited functionality. Like when they deleted half the music from GTA San Andreas. On GoG you can choose to install every older version they've distributed (though GTA is not on there obviously)

The GTA case is because js technically an update from Rockstar, not specifically Steam's fault here. There are always to downgrade a game, but true, it is not as easy as GoG.

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> The discs have been a formality for longer than most gamers understand or want to admit. Sony is discontinuing disc sales as a response to how gamers are buying games not the other way around. On the contrary. It's been a very long process of boiling the frog. I bought a physical release of Spore in 2008 and the game allowed itself to be installed a couple of times. Few years later I bought a single player RPG game…

Steam's policy is that an already published game can only be delisted, allowing old owners to still play the game. I still own the original versions of Skyrim (before Anniversary edition, definitive edition, and all other *ditions), and I can still download it and play it, even though that version is not available for purchase in the store anymore. Xbox and PSN don't have such luxuries AFAIK, after a game is removed…

> Steam's policy is that an already published game can only be delisted, allowing old owners to still play the game. I still own the original versions of Skyrim (before Anniversary edition, definitive edition, and all other *ditions), and I can still download it and play it, even though that version is not available for purchase in the store anymore.

No. Their policy is:

> This license ends upon termination of (a) this Agreement or (b) a Subscription that includes the license. The Content and Services are licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Content and Services. To make use of the Content and Services, you must have a Steam Account and you may be required to be running the Steam client and maintaining a connection to the Internet.

And their disclaimer disavows any rights you have to use the software or for it not to become broken.

And they prohibit transferring your account or licenses in any fashion, which means they are at best only going to become void when you pass.

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement*

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