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How Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023)

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Re: How Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023)

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Post by jeffbee »

smeej wrote: post #136
deepsun wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing with Google Music, it was perfect. You could stream, or could buy and download mp3, or you could upload your library to it. And the best feature: "I am feeling lucky" -- play a random song you ever liked and keep playing a generated playlist off it. But they killed it due to internal wars with YouTube Music that sucks. There's still nothing like Google Music.

The thing that pissed me off was that I had uploaded so many indie local bands' CDs, none of which were ever on YouTube, so I lost more than half of my music library when they forced that change and there was nothing I could do about it, having long since gotten rid of the disks because I believed them that they would never delete my stuff. (Degoogled not long after that, actually. Fool me twice...)

I am not sure what you mean here. I just checked my uploads and all my live music stuff is still there, as well as obscure published records.

Re: How Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023)

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Post by modriano »

tombert wrote: post #127
jfengel wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was also .001% of the content there is now. The Internet of 2000 was microscopic. Now everyone can create content, without any of the friction of hosting it. The vast majority of it is crap, but that was always the case. The main difference between now and 30 years ago is that the Internet is vastly more diverse. It isn't just other CS majors any more. Now everyone gets to wade in the vast crap pool looking for…

> It isn't just other CS majors any more. Hey, that's not fair! It also had nine year olds who bought a book about HTML and made shitty sites on Geocities!

Those were just CS majors before they majored in CS.

Re: How Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023)

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Post by SanjayMehta »

mathieudombrock wrote: post #71
throwaway63467 wrote: post #48

The Internet in the early 2000s felt a little more special as compared to today, when 99.999 % of content is locked in a handful of walled gardens. I mean sure everything we had then is still possible but let’s be honest everything about the web is fine tuned to deliver ads to our eyeballs, browsers, operating systems and even protocols are being designed with ad delivery in mind. Even the privacy friendly browsers j…

What I don't understand about the "RSS can't support ads" argument is that most of my RSS feeds don't actually let me read the article. Just a headline and a snippet at most. So if I want to actually read the article I'm going to have to load their page.

There are some RSS feeds which let you read even their paywalled content completely, without ads. I'm guessing by accident, not design.

Re: How Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023)

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Post by esafak »

rcxdude wrote: post #45
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #15

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And then killed it too. They killed a tool people loved to promote a tool people didn't want to adopt, and in the end both ended up dead.

It seems like Google culturally can't deal with products that aren't overwhelming, gigantic successes, but they also really struggle to put in the effort to actually create those. Multiple times they have spent a lot of resources developing a product, then released to great fanfare, but then don't have the follow-through to keep supporting it into being a big success. Stadia seemed to be the most ridiculous example t…

I think Google's culture is to blame; launches are lauded, nurturing is not.

Re: How Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023)

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Post by Alien1Being »

I miss the days of intelligent discussions on comp.arch.

John Mashey would pipe in with old_systems_guy@yahoo.com (John Mashey) "I repeat the old proverb:"Money can buy bandwidth, but latency is forever.""

https://yarchive.net/comp/latency.html

Terge Mathiesen with brilliant asides likeIntelligent discussions now happen on closed forums. My people have moved to mailing lists like arch-general@lists.archlinux.org, or behind authentication firewalls in professional societies.

The public internet is now populated by the sort of people I devotedly avoid in real life...

These days most of the high quality material I read is on Anna's Archive.

Re: How Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023)

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Post by UqWBcuFx6NV4r »

inigyou wrote: post #99
jfengel wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was also .001% of the content there is now. The Internet of 2000 was microscopic. Now everyone can create content, without any of the friction of hosting it. The vast majority of it is crap, but that was always the case. The main difference between now and 30 years ago is that the Internet is vastly more diverse. It isn't just other CS majors any more. Now everyone gets to wade in the vast crap pool looking for…

The .001% was the top .001% of today's content. The other 99.999% we gained was spam aimed at getting money while providing minimal value and taking minimal effort.

can’t wait to hear about how some 9/11 truther blog was the cream of the crop. I’m surprised you can see anything through those rose coloured glasses.

the most charitable interpretation is that the internet used to more exclusively cater to your interests specifically, which i’m sure is true.

try asking most women about the internet then vs now. there are still scumbags, and one could reasonably argue that they’ve gotten worse, but at least theres more to do now.

Re: How Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023)

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Post by singpolyma3 »

mathieudombrock wrote: post #71
throwaway63467 wrote: post #48

The Internet in the early 2000s felt a little more special as compared to today, when 99.999 % of content is locked in a handful of walled gardens. I mean sure everything we had then is still possible but let’s be honest everything about the web is fine tuned to deliver ads to our eyeballs, browsers, operating systems and even protocols are being designed with ad delivery in mind. Even the privacy friendly browsers j…

What I don't understand about the "RSS can't support ads" argument is that most of my RSS feeds don't actually let me read the article. Just a headline and a snippet at most. So if I want to actually read the article I'm going to have to load their page.

Also you can literally insert ads into the feed content

Re: How Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds (2023)

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Post by culi »

throwawsy7273 wrote: post #122
culi wrote: post #73

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Did any other browser ever have this?

Opera used to have a built in RSS reader that was better in my opinion. Some of the people behind Opera has built Vivaldi, which also contains an RSS reader. I haven't used it myself, but it looks promising.

Seems risky to rely on a browser as your RSS reader. I know you could always export your OPML file but not every reader seems to import/export that spec correctly
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