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A.I. companies are recruiting electricians and carpenters by the thousands

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Re: A.I. companies are recruiting electricians and carpenters by the thousands

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Post by arkey »

Johanx64 wrote: post #426
arkey wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're making my point with your rebuttal. A lot of people think different about right and wrong, good and evil, than I or you do, and that's because they look towards different sources. I'll assume you think cutting the hands off someone who stole something from you is wrong. But some other people think it's the right thing to do. What? Are you simply morally superior to them? Or is it that you've received from othe…

> Long ago slavery was globally mainstream and accepted until 'some weirdos' pointed to the Bible and said 'Hey, maybe slavery is wrong, according to this we're all created equal under God so we should not hold slaves'. Bible does NOT directly condemn slavery. Kind of worse than that, in the Old Testament it accepts it and puts out rules on how slaves are to be treated. The statement that Christianity is directly res…

> The statement that Christianity is directly responsible for - or has anything to do with abolishment of slavery is absolutely baseless.

I politely invite you to do your own research, so you don't have to take my word for it.

> What's right or wrong doesn't change one bit depending on what other people think or what some random book says.

So you do acknowledge an absolute of good and evil, right and wrong. Good. We got somewhere.

In regards to the rest, you're drastically limited by your ignorance and misunderstanding of basic Christian concepts, most probably conditioned by your radical prejudices and already formed opinions.

This conversation has become absurd in the sense that you're trying to convince me, a Christian, about what motivates me, or moves me, or about my understanding of reality and absolutes.

Keep your prejudices, you're free to decide, and you're responsible of your decisions.

You still haven't directly answered my question.

Have a good one.

Re: A.I. companies are recruiting electricians and carpenters by the thousands

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Post by bigfatkitten »

jongjong wrote: post #240

I think that by the time AI can fully automate software engineering, it will be able to fully automate physical electrical work. The challenge in both cases is all the invisible, hard-to-describe stuff that people are doing which business people take for granted. Business people don't consider "minimizing complexity" to be something software engineers do, but it's literally the most important part of the job for any…

AI won’t be replacing first year apprentices crawling through ceilings for $11 an hour while either you or I are still alive.

It’s not that we can’t do it today, it’s because like orbital data centres, it is nowhere close to being economically sensible.

Electrical and other safety-critical work very sensibly requires a skilled human to sign off on the results. This important safety requirement seems incompatible with your vision.

Re: A.I. companies are recruiting electricians and carpenters by the thousands

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Post by Danox »

bluGill wrote: post #135
Danox wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a good career if your unionize ie electrician, plumber, HVAC, fire protection, steel, concrete, and it also helps if you’re operating within the radius of a large city and all the suburbs around it, ie Santa Barbara to San Diego, Los Angeles to Palm Springs within that radius, very good opportunities, and very good living if your unionized.

I have friends on both sides of the union debate in construction. There are pros and cons. the unions try to tell you that they are much better, but in reality there are pros and cons and you need to figure out what is best for you.

When I look at the benefits of being in a union or not, the benefits show up when you get close to retirement age at the end of a working lifetime you have more to lean on than being non-union.

Re: A.I. companies are recruiting electricians and carpenters by the thousands

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Post by tomhow »

SR2Z wrote: post #428
tomhow wrote: post #416

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Please don't sneer at groups/categories of people like this. Even if it was true (obviously it isn't; many in the software industry have been laid off in recent years), it's still unkind and inflammatory. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Guess I should have included a /s, but my point here was that software people are more exposed than most to economic downturns or bubbles popping and it's unreasonable to call them out-of-touch on this issue. I will try to be more obvious with this kind of comment in the future. My fault for assuming the sarcasm would translate well in a comment.

Ok fair enough. I think it was late at night when I saw that and my sarcasm radar was shutting down. But it’s best to avoid sarcasm here because it’s usually snarky and we always want to avoid snark, even if the comment you’re replying to is snarky (which it was in this case). We really want to avoid circling the drain with this kind of discourse.

Re: A.I. companies are recruiting electricians and carpenters by the thousands

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Post by obligor_io »

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #4

Before you decide to change jobs - the demand in electricians is caused by a temporary massive construction boom of data centers. Maintaining an already built data center doesn't require much personnel. It's a clickbait article.

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Re: A.I. companies are recruiting electricians and carpenters by the thousands

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Post by Johanx64 »

arkey wrote: post #431
Johanx64 wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Long ago slavery was globally mainstream and accepted until 'some weirdos' pointed to the Bible and said 'Hey, maybe slavery is wrong, according to this we're all created equal under God so we should not hold slaves'. Bible does NOT directly condemn slavery. Kind of worse than that, in the Old Testament it accepts it and puts out rules on how slaves are to be treated. The statement that Christianity is directly res…

> The statement that Christianity is directly responsible for - or has anything to do with abolishment of slavery is absolutely baseless. I politely invite you to do your own research, so you don't have to take my word for it. > What's right or wrong doesn't change one bit depending on what other people think or what some random book says. So you do acknowledge an absolute of good and evil, right and wrong. Good. We…

> You still haven't directly answered my question.

I did actually!

> So you do acknowledge an absolute of good and evil, right and wrong. Good. We got somewhere.

It's not an absolute. "Right and wrong" exists only within framing of living beings or atleast the humans with a functional brain.

And humans who don't believe Santa and alike will derive their moral framework from simple axioms (such as pain and suffering is bad) that are universal across living beings on Earth arriving at something along the lines of Negative Utilitarianism.

> This conversation has become absurd in the sense that you're trying to convince me, a Christian, about what motivates me, or moves me, or about my understanding of reality and absolutes.

The absurd part is that you think this conversation is about you.

Not everything revolves around you. Ground breaking thought, I know.

> In regards to the rest, you're drastically limited by your ignorance and misunderstanding of basic Christian concepts, most probably conditioned by your radical prejudices and already formed opinions.

So you're attacking me instead of refuting my argument or providing a well reasoned counterpoint.

Not that I expected more from a Christian. Sigh

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