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The Religion of Speed

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Re: The Religion of Speed

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Post by tanseydavid »

sublinear wrote: post #4

I agree with all of this, but the inverse is just as bad. Incompetent people will always find a hiding spot through imitation. They will bikeshed and posture like they know what they're talking about. Then they rush anyway at the last minute and still make a mess, or they delegate to someone who will do the same. The actual problem starts at the top of the organization. All it takes is one bad link in the chain and o…

> I agree with all of this, but the inverse is just as bad.

The inverse would be "The Religion of Slow".

I have never seen or experienced anything remotely like this in the real world.

Have you?

Re: The Religion of Speed

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Post by tdrgabi »

orionblastar wrote: post #149
tdrgabi wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are anecdotes supporting almost any point. We've all heard about the "make 100 clay pots", or, sometimes it's photos group vs "make 1 perfect clay pot" group.

Yeah, but I made more than 1 plane. You don't want planes that can't fly and crash because they were made sloppily and fast.

Sorry if it sounded like I was picking on your story, that wasn't my intention.

I was just thinking out loud. You hear stories of "do 100, it beats doing 1" and "plan well and do 1, it beats doing 100", in the end... you sort of chose the stories that agree with you.

Re: The Religion of Speed

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Post by orionblastar »

tdrgabi wrote: post #162
orionblastar wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but I made more than 1 plane. You don't want planes that can't fly and crash because they were made sloppily and fast.

Sorry if it sounded like I was picking on your story, that wasn't my intention. I was just thinking out loud. You hear stories of "do 100, it beats doing 1" and "plan well and do 1, it beats doing 100", in the end... you sort of chose the stories that agree with you.

Yeah, but if you do 100 things with low quality, it is going to be crappy. In the mid-1990s, I did quality control work on debugging code for Visual BASIC and ASP web pages. Now people are rushed to do sloppy work in quantity because it is done fast, not quality, where it is done right.

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Post by DeluluDon »

rglover wrote: post #102
phtrivier wrote: post #84

Impossible to disagree with the author, and yet something seems missing in the discussion... Let me check: Ctrl-F, 'deadline' 0 result. Oh, yeah, that's what missing from the discussion. And without any trolling, I'm curious about what the author would have to say about this matter. Not all "need for speed" comes from a vacuum. Is it always legit ? Should we push back ? Sure. Do we always meaningfully, practically, r…

I'm the author. Deadlines are artificial constraints (typically, some deadlines are unshakable—eg "we have to launch the payload when conditions are clear") that, imo, distract from the actual goal or task at hand. Sadly, a deadline is more often used as an excuse to rush, and not because the deadline itself is of material consequence (e.g., meeting a vendor's production deadline is unshakable). Instead, the more com…

I work for FedEx and even our scanners are garbage. If they spent more time on quality SWE instead of impressing management, things would work out for them very well in the long run.

Re: The Religion of Speed

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Post by TeMPOraL »

andai wrote: post #155
Zxian wrote: post #118

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You clearly didn't read this. It's about rowing. Not being on a playground.

I found it excerpted in Getting Things Done, where the author presented it as the ideal for how one should approach their life, both professionally and personally.

GTD is the opposite of being on a swing. It's the constant fear of the parents shouting your name from the balcony to tell you the playtime is over and you need to get back home for a Weekly Review.

Re: The Religion of Speed

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Post by andai »

tanseydavid wrote: post #159
andai wrote: post #154

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I don't think posts should be flagged for being AI (they often contain interesting or important ideas as well), but I do think it should be pointed out.

The compulsion of pointing it out has becomes very annoying IMHO. Slop is slop -- if it is AI generated slop then fine, call it out. If it is not slop what is the point of this compulsion? It derails a lot of threads when the content is actually good.

That's a great point.

It's like deepfakes. You only know it's AI when it's not convincing; when the deception has failed. When you're fooled, you don't know it's AI. You just think it's a video.

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