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Re: Google has abandoned Google News?

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Post by jubilanti »

dividefuel wrote: post #75

Small clarification: the post's screenshot is of the News mode in Search, and not news.google.com. I think the latter is what people think of when they think "Google News". Whether the same problems are there as well, I don't know. I also notice in the screenshot that the query isn't visible, it's on page 4 of results, and there seems to be a banner saying that the search is expanding beyond the set filters. I agree…

What a joke of a journalist. I'm all for shitting over Google, but have some competence and integrity!

This has a captivating headline and we've all seen the depredations in Google and elsewhere, but this is journalistic malpractice. It's not Google News, Search tells you when it is abandoning your filters because you keep infinite paginating, he intentionally cropped the screenshot as much as he could to make it as sensational as possible.

Mr. Elgan, you say this is in the "huge majority" of the time. I demand receipts. Show me just one more example, uncropped, with the full URL.

Re: Google has abandoned Google News?

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Post by teamonkey »

rpdillon wrote: post #54
wonnage wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software stopped improving in 2016 and now AI is here to accelerate the downfall

It's weirdly kinda true...at least in games, my kids and I noticed that there were a bonkers number of great games in 2016 in particular, but also kind of around that period (2018 had some greats as well). Sure, there are some standouts in recent years here and there, but it seems like the overall trend is downward. Was kind of excited to see Crate Entertainment release a new DLC for Grim Dawn this past week, given t…

The current trend is saturation. The current rate is over 4000 new games a month on Steam. The problem isn’t that great new games aren’t being released, it’s finding them.

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Post by singingtoday »

shevy-java wrote: post #90
slg wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hadn't seen that. Just a hunch, but it's probably a red flag when someone starts comparing themselves to non-existent mythical beings.

Are you saying that TempleOS sucks?

I still never gave it a try. I assume it works in a VM? Maybe it's time to try Holy C.

Re: Google has abandoned Google News?

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Post by singingtoday »

SoftTalker wrote: post #45
giancarlostoro wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguably a little longer, its just compounded, Windows peaked at 8 and 10 was downhill spiral, 11 is just all the bad stuff that 10 had available out of the box.

Peak was Windows 2000 Professional.

98se, 2000, 7, 10

XP wasn't bad, it was basically 2000 with extra stuff.

Re: Google has abandoned Google News?

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Post by valleyer »

shevy-java wrote: post #90
slg wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hadn't seen that. Just a hunch, but it's probably a red flag when someone starts comparing themselves to non-existent mythical beings.

Are you saying that TempleOS sucks?

The exception that proves the rule.

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Post by jhickok »

rvba wrote: post #35
giancarlostoro wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguably a little longer, its just compounded, Windows peaked at 8 and 10 was downhill spiral, 11 is just all the bad stuff that 10 had available out of the box.

Windows 8 was never peak. It was the one that introduced the tablet view that nobody wanted.

8.1 was a liiiiitle better but that's not saying much.

Re: Google has abandoned Google News?

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Post by onetokeoverthe »

slg wrote: post #17

I really can't get over the way almost every piece of consumer technology/software has gotten worse in the last half decade. These companies are killing every goose they can get their hands on because they are so convinced there is some golden goose out there that will be worth more than all those regular geese combined.

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Re: Google has abandoned Google News?

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Post by jubilanti »

dgellow wrote: post #47
jubilanti wrote: post #20

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I don't mean replicating the exact order of results, I mean I cannot replicate any of the alleged bugs. When you're reporting bugs and especially when you're making such a strongly-worded claim, it's best practice to be as detailed as possible. The claim is "a huge majority" of queries are fundamentally breaking logical operators. My point is that if you're reporting a bug you claim is so systemic it has made the pro…

I get your point but I don't think they are reporting a bug. It looks more like venting about the frustration

They claim to be a freaking journalist. I expect better. I want to support journalists, but when they manipulate like this to serve an agenda they know their readers want, they're no better than the tech companies.

This wasn't on Google News, it was on Google Search, it was on page 4 of the results, and they cropped out the notification that appears when you paginate past the original filtered results saying that the filters are being dropped to serve you more of the content you are explicitly demanding.

Re: Google has abandoned Google News?

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Post by toomuchtodo »

Bolwin wrote: post #60
slg wrote: post #17

I really can't get over the way almost every piece of consumer technology/software has gotten worse in the last half decade. These companies are killing every goose they can get their hands on because they are so convinced there is some golden goose out there that will be worth more than all those regular geese combined.

It feels like that should be a golden opportunity for competitors, but every time a competitor makes a decent replacement, the big tech company either buys it or briefly invests in their product again to make it good enough and since they have a long tail of users and the network effect, they win by default while still keeping their product mediocre

The solution is non profits or open protocols. Internet Archive. Let’s Encrypt. Signal. Peertube. Jitsi. AT Proto. (not an exhaustive list) Competition is not the way out, but building public goods through corporate entity structures that are protected from the usual capitalist forms of acquisition (B Corps are not required to maximize value, non profits can be made almost impossible to acquire through incorporation and governance choices).

In other words, don’t build another car company, build a mass transit system, build the library, build the park.

A great recent example was Mitchell pushing Ghostty into a non profit before using it as a component for a venture startup (Superlogical).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49100329

> We will build on libghostty exactly as it was designed to be used: as a public building block for terminal applications. Superlogical will consume the same MIT-licensed components available to everyone else, and we will continue to upstream shared terminal work so every libghostty consumer can benefit.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48738228

(Our collective defense against people building moats to capture economic gains through the control of data or capabilities is to make it impossible to build the moat, and it’s never been cheaper to do so with LLMs, “computah make it so”)

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