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Dubious research tied to Red Bull has shaped energy drink policy

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Post by tombert »

Llamamoe wrote: post #207
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #99

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You're describing caffeine addiction. This also happens with coffee. People at the office sometimes ask me how I manage to get up in the morning and be in a good mood without having a cup of coffee. I suspect that most of them are only in a bad mood after waking up because they have mild caffeine widthrawal.

Sleep problems due to undiagnosed or subtle Sleep Disordered Breathing, or other fatigue-causing conditions not quite bad enough to either be disabling or diagnosed are extremely common. It's easy to be tempted to blame it on people getting addicted to caffeine or whatever but the reality is that most people do those things to self medicate a real issue they have no better recourse against.

That turned out to be my case. I had at the time undiagnosed sleep apnea, and I think I was using caffeine as a crutch instead of treating the problem.

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Post by throw2ih020 »

alexjplant wrote: post #131
superdisk wrote: post #29

I really don't know why people go so nuts over energy drinks. People casually chug coffee like crazy and then act like you're drinking nuclear waste when you drink a monster, and then you look at the ingredients list and it's like - Water - Sugar - Vitamin B - Caffeine and the caffeine is basically equivalent to one cup of coffee.

It's cultural. Rave kids who listen to melodic dubstep drink Ghost because they like everything brightly-colored and artificial. Good ole' boys blowing stuff up in the woods drink Bucked Up or Rip It because they work hard and want something grab-and-go from Wal-Mart. Gamers love Bawls (or whatever the equivalent is now) because it tastes refreshing and keeps them up all night at LAN parties. Coffee is for sophistica…

This comment feels like reading a forum in the mid-2000s, haha.

The Rip It people are usually vets - Rip Its were the only ones you could get reliably while deployed in the ME.

I don't know anyone who actually drinks Bawls - most of my gamer and IT friends do Monster Zero and Monster Ultra. You can get them basically everywhere and the fruity ones actually taste pretty good.

LAN parties haven't really been a huge thing in a long time, sadly, outside of convention-style events.

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Post by munch117 »

superdisk wrote: post #29

I really don't know why people go so nuts over energy drinks. People casually chug coffee like crazy and then act like you're drinking nuclear waste when you drink a monster, and then you look at the ingredients list and it's like - Water - Sugar - Vitamin B - Caffeine and the caffeine is basically equivalent to one cup of coffee.

I would say that's a very sugarcoated version of the Monster energy drink ingredients list[1]. The real list is ten time longer than the ingredients list of a cup of black filter coffee. And one of the items is "natural flavors", which could be hiding a long list of things all by itself.

[1] https://nutritionandingredients.com/monster-energy-drinks-in...

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Post by throw2ih020 »

Retric wrote: post #159
bpodgursky wrote: post #130

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Not true, a 16oz monster has 140mg caffeine, a 12 oz starbucks has 235-270mg.

At the bottom of the label it’s listing caffeine from all sources 160mg here: https://www.walmart.com/ip/12-Pack-Monster-Energy-Drink-Zero... So not the original is 160mg as are most of their options, only the low carb monster is 140mg meanwhile Java monster hits 300mg. https://www.caffeineinformer.com/caffeine-content/monster Starbucks has a wide range of coffee at different sizes with different amounts of caffeine.…

I think at this point the zero cal/low cal ones are more popular. I don't know anyone who drinks Black Monster, while White Monster (zero cal) is so popular it's literally a meme. You go to a store and most of the shelf space is the low cal/zero cal options.

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Post by jambalaya8 »

inigyou wrote: post #227
PunchyHamster wrote: post #173

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feels like it wouldn't change behavior all that much just choice of the drug

People don't say to themselves "today I want caffeine and alcohol" and then search for products matching their preferred mix ratio. They just see a product meant to get them fucked up, and consume it. The selection of easily available products absolutely matters.

I do that sometimes. Is there something wrong with that? Granted, rarely in the form of an energy drink.

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

tombert wrote: post #25

I have always hated coffee so I've previously had some kind of energy drink in the morning for weeks at a time. Those suckers are bizarrely addictive. It's one thing to have one shortly after you wake up, but I found myself craving them later and later in the day, and of course that makes it harder to sleep...which makes me more likely to have energy drinks the next day. I stopped the daily consumption when I realize…

> Those suckers are bizarrely addictive

Caffeine and sugar, both are addictive.

For me personally, I find sugar much harder to drop, than caffeine. I wonder how it is for other people.

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Post by graemep »

rozab wrote: post #222

In Scotland in the early 2000s, there was a moral panic over a tonic wine called Buckfast, made in Buckfast Abbey by an order of Benedictine monks. It's the kind of thing meant for your granny to have when sick. It contains caffeine and alcohol, and neds started drinking it because caffeine and alcohol both feel good (humans have known this for thousands of years). It quickly became part of the local youth culture, a…

> made in Buckfast Abbey by an order of Benedictine monks.

Historically, yes, but after they lost their license to sell wine (a century ago) they licensed the name to a drinks business that scaled production up and changed the recipe.

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Post by sellmesoap »

unknown_user_84 wrote: post #160
neutronicus wrote: post #77

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I swore off energy drinks in high school after someone brought a case of them on the bus to a football game and I drank one and got horrible diarrhea and had to shit in the woods at halftime.

dude, don't even get me started on those bang energy drinks. I don't know what they put in them but monsters do not make me run to the bathroom like those things do. it might be a caffeine threshold thing I don't know. monsters have about 180 mg of caffeine bang drinks have I think 300 mg. the bang drinks even used to have creatine in them which would actually make you sick if you didn't have anything to eat around t…

Sugar alternatives might be the problem, for me sucralose is a countdown to a space launch.

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Post by flextheruler »

rozab wrote: post #222

In Scotland in the early 2000s, there was a moral panic over a tonic wine called Buckfast, made in Buckfast Abbey by an order of Benedictine monks. It's the kind of thing meant for your granny to have when sick. It contains caffeine and alcohol, and neds started drinking it because caffeine and alcohol both feel good (humans have known this for thousands of years). It quickly became part of the local youth culture, a…

I'm personally a much bigger fan of Vin Mariani. It's a wine made with cocaine alkaloids and endorsed by the pope. Unfortunately not as popular as it was in 1863...

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Post by filoleg »

andai wrote: post #175
filoleg wrote: post #86

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Fair point, but yeah, it is still quite a crazy amount, esp in terms of alcohol, even for someone like me. And I am saying this as someone with very strong alcohol tolerance, not as a (likely) smaller 18 year old woman with way less tolerance.

I had 10 Jaeger bombs one time and I woke up in Belgium.

Did you have those jagerbombs in Belgium to begin with or while on the way to Belgium?
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