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Scope of Hacks on U.S. Water Supply Widens as Evidence Points to Iran

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Re: Scope of Hacks on U.S. Water Supply Widens as Evidence Points to Iran

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People use 1000x more water than they need to drink. If a water supply chain attack happened, we would just distribute bottled water for drinking, and people would go without washing for a few days whilst the issue was sorted. Bottled water production is already big enough that delivering a bottle a day per person in new York is within the scale of the current production and retail networks scope. It wouldn't cause t…

It's actually insane to me that the nation convulsed over the inability to get water to flint Michigan and people are still over here doing "no one actually deserves water, you use too much of it anyway"

And let's not forget:

> Agriculture accounts for about 80 percent of consumptive use in the United States

https://www.nifa.usda.gov/topics/water

Maybe if we're worried about running out of water, we should prioritize getting the water we do have to actual people. Could the problem be that we're trying to grow avocados in a literal desert? Nah, it's the dang citizens taking too many showers again.

Re: Scope of Hacks on U.S. Water Supply Widens as Evidence Points to Iran

#62

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Iran doesn't need to cause mass casualties. They just need to make US citizens hate the war in Iran.

Trouble is, there's a good chance that a large portion of the population will then be in favour of ending the war by escalating it to the point of flattening Iran. And that portion of the population has somewhat of a correlation with the political base of the current administration.

What's he gonna do? Nuke Iran?

You know, I said that as a joke, but...

It's getting hard to tell jokes from reality with this administration (excluding roasts at the WHCD).

Re: Scope of Hacks on U.S. Water Supply Widens as Evidence Points to Iran

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Iran doesn't need to cause mass casualties. They just need to make US citizens hate the war in Iran.

Trouble is, there's a good chance that a large portion of the population will then be in favour of ending the war by escalating it to the point of flattening Iran. And that portion of the population has somewhat of a correlation with the political base of the current administration.

How are you going to flatten Iran? A country twice the size of Texas with 90M people.

You would have to fire your entire nuclear arsenal and commit mass genocide.

Even then, you may not be able to destroy the missile cities, many of them were built to be nuclear resistant.

Re: Scope of Hacks on U.S. Water Supply Widens as Evidence Points to Iran

#64

Where does all the money go? Not to cyber apparently.

DOGE eliminated 1/3 of CISA staff in 2025. Trump reduced the 2026 CISA budget by $491 million (17%). Trump intends to slash their budget by an additional $707 million in 2027. The ICE budget was just increased by $70 BILLION, bringing its total to >$200 billion.

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Re: Scope of Hacks on U.S. Water Supply Widens as Evidence Points to Iran

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It's actually insane to me that the nation convulsed over the inability to get water to flint Michigan and people are still over here doing "no one actually deserves water, you use too much of it anyway"

And let's not forget: > Agriculture accounts for about 80 percent of consumptive use in the United States https://www.nifa.usda.gov/topics/water Maybe if we're worried about running out of water, we should prioritize getting the water we do have to actual people. Could the problem be that we're trying to grow avocados in a literal desert? Nah, it's the dang citizens taking too many showers again.

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Re: Scope of Hacks on U.S. Water Supply Widens as Evidence Points to Iran

#66

People use 1000x more water than they need to drink. If a water supply chain attack happened, we would just distribute bottled water for drinking, and people would go without washing for a few days whilst the issue was sorted. Bottled water production is already big enough that delivering a bottle a day per person in new York is within the scale of the current production and retail networks scope. It wouldn't cause t…

Iran doesn't need to cause mass casualties. They just need to make US citizens hate the war in Iran.

Dunno, Trump's war didn't make them give up on 'Death to America', but just gave it new life.

Re: Scope of Hacks on U.S. Water Supply Widens as Evidence Points to Iran

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran doesn't need to cause mass casualties. They just need to make US citizens hate the war in Iran.

Trouble is, there's a good chance that a large portion of the population will then be in favour of ending the war by escalating it to the point of flattening Iran. And that portion of the population has somewhat of a correlation with the political base of the current administration.

It is impossible to affect the Persian empire by such means. They might as well have tried to take the Soviet Union or China by like means. There is no such thing as 'flattening' China or Iran

Re: Scope of Hacks on U.S. Water Supply Widens as Evidence Points to Iran

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CISA staff doesn’t do security patches and updates on local water supplies. You’re mixing a lot of stuff around there, none of it relevant to the discussion.

CISA is the one who mandates these controls and who manages the public/private relationship. Who issues the active exploration warnings. Who suggests legislation to prevent this in the future, including mandatory software updates. If your question was only a trite recitation of the fact that private enterprise consistently refuses to practice cybersecurity then you've added nothing. If your question was about who wat…

A public water authority needs to step it up, at least to the level of other public water authorities who don’t have the problem. Simple matter of disconnecting it from the internet and running security patches, c’mon man!

Re: Scope of Hacks on U.S. Water Supply Widens as Evidence Points to Iran

#70

People use 1000x more water than they need to drink. If a water supply chain attack happened, we would just distribute bottled water for drinking, and people would go without washing for a few days whilst the issue was sorted. Bottled water production is already big enough that delivering a bottle a day per person in new York is within the scale of the current production and retail networks scope. It wouldn't cause t…

It's actually insane to me that the nation convulsed over the inability to get water to flint Michigan and people are still over here doing "no one actually deserves water, you use too much of it anyway"

Apple to oranges. The problem with Flint was lead in municipal pipes, and it has been fixed since forever ago. The majority of US water usage is agricultural and that is only really an issue west of the Mississippi. They are completely separate concerns supported by completely separate infrastructures.
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