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On the non-use of AI in my writing process

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Re: On the non-use of AI in my writing process

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Dude's an artist. He should do what his artistic intuition tells him to. I'm a software developer. I'll follow my own experience. It'll all work out.

It’s likely it won’t all work out.

Extremely likely. Humanity won't work out. Time is running out and we still kill each other over money and religions.

Re: On the non-use of AI in my writing process

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> It would be foolish to deny the effectiveness of image recognizers based on generalized adversarial networks (GANs), the key neural network technology underlying LLMs I could be misreading this, but I hope the author doesn't think GANs are used in LLMs. They are cool, though.

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Re: On the non-use of AI in my writing process

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> But he’s made the error of trying to come at it from a technical perspective Huh? That quote appears to be the entirety of the "technical perspective" of the post and is an aside from his larger points that you have blessed as "fine". Literally nothing in the rest of the post relies on that incorrect statement. Let me quibble with what is discredited here, given the entirety of your point is built upon an error.

Here's another technical point: > They're word-association mechanisms with no embodiment and no way to associate the text vectors they manipulate with real-world phenomena. This is wrong too. RLVR grounds foundational models in reality.

Aren't RLVR signals typically based off formal systems not natural phenomena? The formal sciences are certainly useful for producing tools used in natural science, but it's not entirely clear they alone are sufficient to associate text to natural (real-world) phenomena. Honestly, the pretraining and RLHF are probably more tied to the world than RLVR, for all that RLVR might be useful (maybe even more useful) for making the model perform better in certain tasks (such as working with formally defined systems).

Re: On the non-use of AI in my writing process

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> It would be foolish to deny the effectiveness of image recognizers based on generalized adversarial networks (GANs), the key neural network technology underlying LLMs I could be misreading this, but I hope the author doesn't think GANs are used in LLMs. They are cool, though.

It’s unfortunate - he’s an author, it would have been fine to stick with an authors perspective that LLMs can’t write (which is true), as well as the copyright stuff (which I don’t agree with but he certainly has standing to give an opinion on). But he’s made the error of trying to come at it from a technical perspective, when he clearly knows nothing about that side of things, which discredits the rest.

How does a tiny error, in an aside and unrelated to the greater point, made at near the end discredit the rest of it?

Re: On the non-use of AI in my writing process

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It’s likely it won’t all work out.

Extremely likely. Humanity won't work out. Time is running out and we still kill each other over money and religions.

I’m more optimistic about humanity but I doubt the west will work out in its current trajectory.

If you haven’t read The Collapse of Complex Societies by Joseph Tainter it’s worth a read. It’s not a conspiratorial or even outright pessimistic theory.

Re: On the non-use of AI in my writing process

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Transformers are an architecture and GANs are a training method for the architecture. There are GAN Transformers.

Examples for us less educated folk?

Jiang et al. (2021) TransGAN: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.5555/3540261.3541391

In general probably not much of a stretch to get rid of convolutions or recurrence by replacing with attention and see if it works hence the title of the original transformers paper.

Re: On the non-use of AI in my writing process

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It’s unfortunate - he’s an author, it would have been fine to stick with an authors perspective that LLMs can’t write (which is true), as well as the copyright stuff (which I don’t agree with but he certainly has standing to give an opinion on). But he’s made the error of trying to come at it from a technical perspective, when he clearly knows nothing about that side of things, which discredits the rest.

How does a tiny error, in an aside and unrelated to the greater point, made at near the end discredit the rest of it?

A lot of people will stop reading or become completely distracted when encountering something so blatantly wrong, and it also indicates the author is willing to say such things. I see some people downplaying it, that’s fine, it’s clearly not helping the author make a case. Even im this discussion, the current top comment and a long thread are solely about that error (granted that’s not too unusual here)

Re: On the non-use of AI in my writing process

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I think it is true that people who obviously dislike AI for ideological reasons often lead with ecological concerns or doubt about the capabilities, leading to an unproductive discussion.

Have you considered engaging on those ecological concerns? There is quite a lot to dig into and can be pretty interesting. For example, try to project how much electricity will be needed to power all the datacenters in construction, then compare that to the existing grid and infra, then figure out the cooling capacity. If done well you will see that we have a pretty massive resource problem here

So electric cars but bad

Re: On the non-use of AI in my writing process

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Extremely likely. Humanity won't work out. Time is running out and we still kill each other over money and religions.

I’m more optimistic about humanity but I doubt the west will work out in its current trajectory. If you haven’t read The Collapse of Complex Societies by Joseph Tainter it’s worth a read. It’s not a conspiratorial or even outright pessimistic theory.

Ill check the book out as I am extremely interested in these kind of topics. Although I am extremely pessimistic.

You wrote "the west", what system will (in theory) work out? And how much does it value the individual?

I know capitalism for example, can in theory, never succeed as its base premise is built on endless growth (which simply wont work out with finite resources). It's a short term system that we need to improve on. All the other systems we had, like feudalism, I'd rather die than live in... Personally I'd highly prefer socialism, but that also wont work out as too many humans highly reject its concept and its also not safe from corruption.

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