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Re: Cursor removed cost information from the usage page and CSV export

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Post by Waterluvian »

bogzz wrote: post #79
Waterluvian wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people don’t use AI and I don’t get it. My wife has never used AI and yesterday I saw her reading a book made out of paper. I imagine she’s just weighed all the details and options in her mind and plans to french fry tokens from my plate instead of getting her own. And I hate that. I mean, I love her. She’s definitely value-add. But those are my tokens, right? My brain doesn’t do books. I can’t sit on the beach…

It sounds like your wife might get left behind by you.

She’s definitely not Mars material.

Re: Cursor removed cost information from the usage page and CSV export

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Post by bonestamp2 »

tosh wrote: post #22

I can only recommend to regularly measure how many tokens a harness+model combination uses for a certain task There are huge token efficiency/bloat differences between agents while working on the same tasks, using the same model, in the same environment Yesterday I ran 10 agentic tasks using GPT 5.6 Sol in an ubuntu 26.04 vm a couple of times with different harnesses and got vastly different token usage. +-----------…

> Do not underestimate how much popular harnesses are spamming the context window. The context window is very important.

Do we have any insight into whether it is actually spam and not useful info such as project or programming language specific context?

Re: Cursor removed cost information from the usage page and CSV export

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Post by epylar »

KronisLV wrote: post #64
yojo wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claude Code injects a ton of tools into the system prompt, including their “memory system” that’s like 10k+ tokens. Depending on your task shape, this can easily double your task cost (e.g. a low context-using job that takes many turns, like a monitoring loop). You should use --disallowed-tools to prune any tools not needed for the task. Note that this is also a perpetual game of whack-a-mole since they’re always add…

> Claude Code injects a ton of tools into the system prompt It's so unfortunate they don't let you use the subscription with other harnesses anymore - since even if I used OpenCode they'd still get a bunch of useful data from the API calls, meanwhile I could stretch their tier limits way further.

Subsidized Anthropic subscriptions seem to work fine on the oh-my-pi harness, somehow.

Re: Cursor removed cost information from the usage page and CSV export

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

jkukul wrote: post #78
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm also confused about Cursor. I use Zed. It seems like whatever Cursor has is pure commodity and yet it's worth billions?

You can use Cursor CLI, it's a terminal agent, just like Claude Code and Codex. I use it sometimes, I haven't opened the actual Cursor IDE in ages. The potential benefit of Cursor CLI (vs CC and Codex) is that you can easily between all major models (by Anthropic, OpenAI, xAI, as well as Kimi K3 and GLM 5.2). I found it useful when reviewing work - e.g. I implement using Opus then review using Sol, etc. Models by dif…

Zed lets you use Claude Code, Codex, OpenCode, etc. all through the same UI. Like you, I use that to cross validate using models from different providers and switch over to GLM 5.2 when I exceed my Claude Code limit.

Re: Cursor removed cost information from the usage page and CSV export

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Post by RussianCow »

epolanski wrote: post #77
KronisLV wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Claude Code injects a ton of tools into the system prompt It's so unfortunate they don't let you use the subscription with other harnesses anymore - since even if I used OpenCode they'd still get a bunch of useful data from the API calls, meanwhile I could stretch their tier limits way further.

It's so unfortunate people don't realize it's cheaper to write their own well working agent instead of insisting with general purpose bloated ones like Claude. 200$/month is a lot of money on Luna/DS4 flash, like really a lot and the results are much better than clowning on bloated CC. It's absurd how you have more and more organizations encoding their processes on LLMs and "engineers" (charlatan coders) don't even b…

> the results are much better than clowning on bloated CC.

I won't argue with the cost effectiveness, but the results are very much not better. Opus and Fable are in a different league than DS4 Flash. Even GPT Terra, which I really like overall, sometimes gets stuck in weird loops and starts to do stupid stuff once its context window fills up. Whereas I can more or less trust the big models to just Do The Thing™ on the first try.

With that said, you get way more value out of a GPT subscription than you do from Claude, partly because of the ability to use more efficient harnesses.

Re: Cursor removed cost information from the usage page and CSV export

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Post by EugeneOZ »

jonjohnsen wrote: post #67

(I work at Cursor) You can still see what you’re billed on the Spending page. We did accidentally break dollar costs in the Usage CSV export yesterday while cleaning up an old feature flag. That was not intentional and the CSV export is fixed now. That feature flag also showed a dollar usage graph to some self-serve users. The confusing part was included plan usage shown as $, which is not what you’re billed (on-dema…

> You can still see what you’re billed on the Spending page.

No, you can not: https://www.pasteboard.co/dNXUdT-h8Giy.png

If you want to say that "admin can" - it doesn't matter, I'm not going to ping admin every day to check how it goes. I'm not going to ask admin about every session to check how cost efficient a model was.

Re: Cursor removed cost information from the usage page and CSV export

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Post by xp84 »

cmiles8 wrote: post #51

If users start questioning the ROI of your AI product just hide the “I” from them. Problem solved.

Agree, I think these companies want to make token usage opaque. Not dissimilar from an AWS bill at most orgs. Not saying you can’t, with great discipline, using good tags, etc, have a good view of where your money is going. But I don’t see it much. And suspect they want to make it super hard to tell the difference between an engineer making wasteful decisions of how to use AI, and someone getting great “value per token.”

Re: Cursor removed cost information from the usage page and CSV export

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Post by bazoom42 »

jonjohnsen wrote: post #67

(I work at Cursor) You can still see what you’re billed on the Spending page. We did accidentally break dollar costs in the Usage CSV export yesterday while cleaning up an old feature flag. That was not intentional and the CSV export is fixed now. That feature flag also showed a dollar usage graph to some self-serve users. The confusing part was included plan usage shown as $, which is not what you’re billed (on-dema…

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Re: Cursor removed cost information from the usage page and CSV export

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Post by colourclash »

yojo wrote: post #32
tosh wrote: post #22

I can only recommend to regularly measure how many tokens a harness+model combination uses for a certain task There are huge token efficiency/bloat differences between agents while working on the same tasks, using the same model, in the same environment Yesterday I ran 10 agentic tasks using GPT 5.6 Sol in an ubuntu 26.04 vm a couple of times with different harnesses and got vastly different token usage. +-----------…

Claude Code injects a ton of tools into the system prompt, including their “memory system” that’s like 10k+ tokens. Depending on your task shape, this can easily double your task cost (e.g. a low context-using job that takes many turns, like a monitoring loop). You should use --disallowed-tools to prune any tools not needed for the task. Note that this is also a perpetual game of whack-a-mole since they’re always add…

appreciate the tip, kind netizen
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