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Re: A directory of people who love RSS

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Post by dewey »

chrismorgan wrote: post #38

I hate RSS. It’s a bad format that developed organically in all the worst ways, and it should have died completely in favour of Atom by about twenty years ago. I started a draft describing some of the problems that actually matter (thing that can’t be represented reliably in RSS, and such) in https://chrismorgan.info/atom%3Erss >. And so I wish people would stop calling feeds RSS, because it continues to compound the…

Having structured feeds of any kind is already a niche and much appreciated when it happens. How to call them correctly technically based on some specs is not the hill to die on.

We call them RSS feeds, RSS reader apps even if it might be implemented as an Atom feed.

Re: A directory of people who love RSS

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Post by pooploop64 »

Surprisingly cool site. I've seen lots of sites for RSS feeds but they aren't any good because they just dump their mountain of every feed that was ever known to exist, and there's not really any aspects of curation or discovery. RSS feeds themselves embody the exact way I think the internet should work, where the internet itself is the platform. However it's very nice to get some help finding new stuff.

Re: A directory of people who love RSS

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Post by 8organicbits »

It's great to see someone else using FeedLand. While it has some quirks, is has some clever ideas, like that blogroll feature.

My favorite part of FeedLand is that you can see who subscribes to a blog and where else they subscribe. This makes RSS feel social, without the algorithmic tricks of traditional social media. Here's the listing for my blog, for example: https://feedland.com/?feedurl=https%3A%2F%2Falexsci.com%2Fbl...

Re: A directory of people who love RSS

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Post by nicole_express »

I'm always surprised how many people who read my blog do so over RSS. It's probably one of my biggest traffic sources. (Definitely due to my niche topic and small reach, but still)

I don't really use RSS myself anymore, though; not since I stopped using Google Reader a few months before they pulled the plug. Wouldn't even know where to start nowadays.

Re: A directory of people who love RSS

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Post by deathanatos »

clickety_clack wrote: post #12
dgellow wrote: post #2

HN renders emojis in color?! I’m reading that on an iPad and see a red heart. That’s a first

I only have a fairly basic understanding of encodings, but is this one by any chance in one of the smaller “standard” character sets and not in the huge Unicode “emoji” set?

UTS #51 is your friend.

There's not really a "standard" character set and an "emoji" one. There is an emoji block (U+1F600 to U+1F64F), and this heart (U+2665) is not in that. But this heart is an emoji, in that the data file emoji-data.txt for contains `Emoji=Yes` ("=Yes for characters that are emoji", —UTS #51) for this character. However, this heart has `Emoji_Presentation=No`, which "=Yes for characters that have emoji presentation by default" (—UTS #51).

So basically, it should present, by default, in its non-emoji appearance. (Though there seem to be a number of readers for whom that isn't true. I think that's macOS being badly behaved.) There are some characters that can flip/flop between a "text" (normal monochrome) presentation and an emoji presentation; all of the card suit characters are. Unadorned (e.g., just U+2665 alone) then, you have to follow the emoji default presentation rules. In some contexts, such as web pages, that's "just do what that Emoji_Presentation flag says" for those characters, but see [§Presentation Style](https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/proposed.html#Presentat...) for exceptions to the rule. (HN is not an exception.) But you can also follow the character with a variation selector, to try to force either text (U+FE0E) or emoji (U+FE0F) presentation.

There are a number of what I'd call "yeah that's definitely an emoji" outside the Emoji block, too. Like U+2705 "white check in green box" (which HN disallows me posting); that one is Emoji=Yes but also Emoji_Presentation=Yes)

(IDK if Emoji=Yes Emoji_Presentation=Yes is HN's filter … but that'd be what I would do, if I wanted to filter out emoji like HN does.)

UTS #51: https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/proposed.html#Emoji_Pro...

(Also, note that the title was changed; the original HN title was "I ♥ RSS")

Re: A directory of people who love RSS

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Post by davewiner »

8organicbits wrote: post #43

It's great to see someone else using FeedLand. While it has some quirks, is has some clever ideas, like that blogroll feature. My favorite part of FeedLand is that you can see who subscribes to a blog and where else they subscribe. This makes RSS feel social, without the algorithmic tricks of traditional social media. Here's the listing for my blog, for example: https://feedland.com/?feedurl=https%3A%2F%2Falexsci.com…

It was designed that way, patterned after social media, where you share all that info. I wanted to see if it would work in RSS, and it came out pretty good.

We're going to have a new version pretty soon, hooking it up with RSS.chat.

Re: A directory of people who love RSS

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Post by F3nd0 »

chrismorgan wrote: post #38

I hate RSS. It’s a bad format that developed organically in all the worst ways, and it should have died completely in favour of Atom by about twenty years ago. I started a draft describing some of the problems that actually matter (thing that can’t be represented reliably in RSS, and such) in https://chrismorgan.info/atom%3Erss >. And so I wish people would stop calling feeds RSS, because it continues to compound the…

Thank you; that was a fun read! I had read that Atom was generally regarded as the technically superior format, but your article (and the links you helpfully provided therein) made it much more apparent why that is the case. :-)

Re: A directory of people who love RSS

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Post by F3nd0 »

dewey wrote: post #41
chrismorgan wrote: post #38

I hate RSS. It’s a bad format that developed organically in all the worst ways, and it should have died completely in favour of Atom by about twenty years ago. I started a draft describing some of the problems that actually matter (thing that can’t be represented reliably in RSS, and such) in https://chrismorgan.info/atom%3Erss >. And so I wish people would stop calling feeds RSS, because it continues to compound the…

Having structured feeds of any kind is already a niche and much appreciated when it happens. How to call them correctly technically based on some specs is not the hill to die on. We call them RSS feeds, RSS reader apps even if it might be implemented as an Atom feed.

I have trouble seeing how that helps anyone. It’s not like ‘RSS’ is a widespread term the way ‘Word’ or even ‘Mastodon’ are (and even there I’d argue it’s worthwhile to use technically more correct terms). Why not just use ‘news feed’ as the general term? If you don’t care about the protocol in the first place, that’s far more descriptive and correct, no?

Re: A directory of people who love RSS

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Post by chrismorgan »

dewey wrote: post #41
chrismorgan wrote: post #38

I hate RSS. It’s a bad format that developed organically in all the worst ways, and it should have died completely in favour of Atom by about twenty years ago. I started a draft describing some of the problems that actually matter (thing that can’t be represented reliably in RSS, and such) in https://chrismorgan.info/atom%3Erss >. And so I wish people would stop calling feeds RSS, because it continues to compound the…

Having structured feeds of any kind is already a niche and much appreciated when it happens. How to call them correctly technically based on some specs is not the hill to die on. We call them RSS feeds, RSS reader apps even if it might be implemented as an Atom feed.

The reason I think it matters is that, because people keep on using the name of the wrong format, people keep on using that wrong format when they want to implement feeds. Where if they had known about Atom, or that podcast feeds are the only reason not to use Atom, they would gladly have used Atom.
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