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AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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The fear in most people is not of losing the job, but of losing their value in the market as ai raises the floor of capabilities of other people competing for the same job.

I'm far above that floor so I'm not worried.

What worries me is the job is transforming into something that a different type of person than me enjoys.

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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This has happened to my side project too. There's so much going on in the code now that I can't possibly grok it to make changes safely by myself any more. But I think that's OK. Because I don't have to grok it anymore. I've been crafting beautiful code for almost 20 years - that itch is scratched. Now I just want to be productive and build cool stuff. AI is helping me make a better end-product in a fraction of the t…

Anything built this way will have a hard limit on the ability to scale in terms of functionality and load. Eventually it will get to a point where not even AI can work with it. It is hard to me to fathom why anyone would find those limits acceptable, especially with years of experience writing code. It seems something like an experienced painter giving up on their art to doodle with crayons, and maybe that could be c…

The ai does what you ask it to do. One thing you can ask is for it to refactor the code base to achieve some goal, for example to make new features easier to add , or to just make it more readable (though that’s a bad goal, no one agrees what is readable, and what AI finds readable may be different from what you think).

I am saying this because I haven’t seen latest gen AI unable to implement something no matter how convoluted the code base. On the other hand, people easily get overwhelmed. These days I have more faith in Claude implementing something for me than for a person, including me , doing it thoroughly enough on unfamiliar code bases (and for any big enough code base, large swathes of it will be unfamiliar to any individual developer).

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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A half-hearted and timid post. It’s very obvious it was written to avoid criticism. I think the author started writing this on a whim and couldnt bring it to a proper conclusion. What i cant understand is how it managed to get such a high points on hn. Because the piece is completely stale—neither praise nor criticism. The author’s own thoughts are so generic that we hear them every single day in our daily lives, and…

It has points because people agree with it.

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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Popped over to HackerNews, read two comment sections and the top comments in both articles were users saying the same thing: "AI can't write code! The whole thing will come crumbling down any minute! Just you wait!" I've never seen this community like this. Are these people cooked? We are years into this and they haven't been able to figure it out? They are going to continue to tell people using these tools successfu…

> The whole thing will come crumbling down any minute It is crumbling down as we speak. There's more software being pumped out than ever, but it's also buggier, more bloated, and just generally worse than ever. A few days ago I had to revert to an older version of an open source project I use regularly, because the author turned full vibe coder and has pushed hundreds of AI generated commits in just a few weeks, at l…

What was the project? I'd like to examine the before and after.

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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There’s been infinitely times where I was stuck at some problem and every single solution was complex, messy, over-engineered and somehow wrong, until I went on a walk or moved to a different issue and suddenly it would hit me that I was looking at it all wrong, and there’s a simple solution there but my tunnel vision didn’t let me see it. LLM rob you of that, everything is instant, there’s no time to reflect, there’…

That's a choice (unless your management thinks otherwise). I don't need my agents running non stop. I tell them to start running once my walk is completed and I have a clear vision of what I want them to do.

It seems to me this is the most reasonable approach. Using LLMs to remove the cognitive load from implementation details, scaffolding, and taking it from there to production grade code. In short, like an IDE on steroids.

I'm curious and hear a lot about agentic programming, yet hear little about the cognitive load from it. Having more code generated doesn't make you more productive, in fact, I would argue the contrary is the case. There's more code to understand, more code to discard, an extra decision (which result do I pick? How do I split the workload through my agents), which is not at all how we operate (I. E context switching, limited by our cognitive energy, working task by task).

I really don't buy the whole agentic thing. The only reasonable use case I can see for it, is to scaffold multiple projects at the same time.

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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Reminds me of CGI in movies. People who hate CGI really only hate bad CGI.

This has been a thought-terminating cliché for years, but actually the conversation around this has been incredibly consistent despite attempts to dismiss it. People still call back to the days of practical effects as more visceral and more convincing because they were. CGI can be great, but it's so often an excuse to cut corners, and people recognise that.

Very applicable to LLM’s

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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There’s been infinitely times where I was stuck at some problem and every single solution was complex, messy, over-engineered and somehow wrong, until I went on a walk or moved to a different issue and suddenly it would hit me that I was looking at it all wrong, and there’s a simple solution there but my tunnel vision didn’t let me see it. LLM rob you of that, everything is instant, there’s no time to reflect, there’…

I recognize this, LLMs never stop, they pursue the dead end at all costs.

Sometimes it's a live end. That's how they solved the Jacobian conjecture and found a lot of vulnerabilities.

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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I think the main fear is that the (assumed) increase of productivity means that employers may require less employees, resulting to less positions in the market. But I don't think that expertise is no longer relevant or we see getting more people hired with less expertise because AI. If anything, there is this talk about companies not hiring junior engineers as much. Moreover, as getting the expertise could become har…

> require less employees, resulting to less positions in the market which i counter with the idea that more efficiency means more output for less - ala, more surplus. This extra surplus drives higher demand for more products/services. It's the same idea as economic resource becoming cheaper leading to a higher usage of it: namely, Jevons paradox.

This is an argument that circulates a lot, but there are more bottlenecks than programming in businesses etc, so it does not mean that demand for this resource can increase necessarily to a degree of covering out the productivity increase. For now, I don't think we see companies in general hiring more in order to increase their productivity, if anything we see more and more layoffs and restructures on AI grounds. This could change once it becomes more clear how AI will exactly be used and what the brave new world will look like, but for the medium term future it makes more sense to be concerned than hopeful.

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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post #203

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Popped over to HackerNews, read two comment sections and the top comments in both articles were users saying the same thing: "AI can't write code! The whole thing will come crumbling down any minute! Just you wait!" I've never seen this community like this. Are these people cooked? We are years into this and they haven't been able to figure it out? They are going to continue to tell people using these tools successfu…

> The whole thing will come crumbling down any minute It is crumbling down as we speak. There's more software being pumped out than ever, but it's also buggier, more bloated, and just generally worse than ever. A few days ago I had to revert to an older version of an open source project I use regularly, because the author turned full vibe coder and has pushed hundreds of AI generated commits in just a few weeks, at l…

> also buggier, more bloated, and just generally worse than ever.

Citation needed. I have seen enormous improvements in bug fixes across our projects and many other companies (one HN headline says Google fixed more bugs in July than in previous 2 years). I would’ve expected even more given how easy it is to fix things now. LLMs can understand code better than anyone I’ve met, judging by their power to explain something and then optionally go ahead and fix stuff. People used to ask me about our project as I am the most senior developer and been working on our product for 12 years. But when I want to know something for sure I myself ask Claude. It is amazingly good.

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