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Post by surgical_fire »

codybontecou wrote: post #178
surgical_fire wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently moved entirely to Pi from Claude Code. There's a bit of more upfront work in that I am taking the time to customize it to the way I want it to work, but I it is clear that it will benefit me in the end. It adds a level of intentionality to everything; all the building blocks I am adding to it in terms of templates, extensions, and skills are, obviously, things I want. And I have been using Chinese models w…

What model(s) are you using?

Deepseek V4 and MiMo 2.5

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Post by eru »

jurgenburgen wrote: post #119
eru wrote: post #98

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My email is with Google. They are less likely to go down than my password manager.

Then what’s the point of it all? Just use Google login.

Yes, that's what I'm doing, when it's available.

But it's not always an option, so a password manager is still a good idea.

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Post by jurgenburgen »

skinfaxi wrote: post #168
jurgenburgen wrote: post #116

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Token-based reasoning also seems like it would be inefficient, there’s no reason it has to be English or even human understandable.

What use is the reasoning if its unintelligible to a human?

Reasoning improves the output of the model. Originally it was a prompting method called chain of thought but later models were trained to do the reasoning steps without the human prompting for it. Being able to see the reasoning steps is just an accidental benefit.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2201.11903

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Post by solarkraft »

embedding-shape wrote: post #63
solarkraft wrote: post #9

This is an important article. I hadn’t realized it was already getting this bad. Like a frog enjoying a nice warm bath ... > Most people do not switch their operating system or phone provider every week either. But even if you do not utilize that freedom, it matters because it changes the relationship you have with the provider and the provider has with you. This is why it’s important to utilize your freedoms. Do NOT…

> This article makes me reconsider using my recently acquired Codex sub in my home setup. I never liked that they hide the reasoning, but somehow overrode the cognitive dissonance because the performance is so good. But the inauditability is already a huge problem. Same, I dislike it so much I've acquired 96GB of VRAM to run local models, but sadly nothing so far, even with that amount of VRAM, comes even close to ru…

The open models are good! Even when hosted, they buy you a lot of portability.

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Post by solarkraft »

NamlchakKhandro wrote: post #154
tcfhgj wrote: post #61

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You are building a phone app for open code? You mean like fossify phone or?

no he means he's locked him self into a bloated and slow react based terminal ui. waste of time. should be using pi mono

No, it means that I’m building a fast alternative to the stock solid based web UI. Pi (isn’t the “mono” just about it being a monorepo?) has no features and no defined server-client API.

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Post by nickelpro »

freehorse wrote: post #188
nickelpro wrote: post #173

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"A transcript should contain the instructions, messages, tool calls and tool results. Another sufficiently capable model might not continue identically, but it could understand what happened and take over." This is so obviously AI generated it is painful. Once or twice in an article is rhetorical flourish, but the entire text is inundated with it.

Just curious: how would you rewrite the sentence to not seem ai generated in your tastes?

I would never write such a low information, generic, sentence to begin with.

AI writing is rife with high-level, generic language. AI prose rarely addresses concrete concerns, instead preferring hedged generalizations. The "It may A, B, and C, but it will not X, Y, and Z." Where both lists are broad categories instead of specific mechanisms is a calling-card of AI prose.

A human identifies and addresses specific concerns. They need not hedge with "may", because they are stating known facts to support their premise, and an argument from those facts follows naturally.

"The OpenAI API requires tokenization in proprietary format, unavailable and unusable by other providers. Deepseek and Anthropic are following suit."

I do not think the whole article is AI generated. I do not think this was a simple prompt of "Write an article about proprietary chat session formats". However, much of the rhetoric is either LLM drafted or had an LLM pass over it.

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Post by ignore_prev »

bob1029 wrote: post #28

OpenAI has been nudging their users toward the Responses API lately. Chat completion can still do everything if you are clever. The obvious reason to push everyone into the Responses API is that the reasoning process can be locked down and encrypted. The semantics of the chat completion API are fundamentally transparent. 100% of the tokens are visible. If you have patience and the willingness to endure a little bit o…

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Post by throw1234567891 »

rad-b wrote: post #128
theturtletalks wrote: post #120

This is exactly why Pi will win. It lets you hot swap models when one is struggling or straight up refusing the task. And since it works with any sub outside Claude Code, you can use it to try different models on OpenCode Go sub or even OpenRouter. As far as subagent prompts and results being obfuscated, I just let Pi spawn new agents. Using skills and extensions, I’ve essentially built a software factory using Pi an…

How did you decide on Pi over Opencode? What you see as the “edge” Pi has?

Its extension system.
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