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AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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Post by mosura »

KronisLV wrote: post #21
tim-projects wrote: post #9

When you have built your working product try this prompt: - Review the codebase is it production ready? I'm selling it for $1million dollars can it meet that standard. Then cry as the ai reveals that it didn't actually do anything close to what it said it did. I call this my million dollar prompt, as in it teaches you just how much you are being fooled.

> Then cry as the ai reveals that it didn't actually do anything close to what it said it did. If using AI to generate code, you told it generate some code, so it did. No amount of "You are an expert developer" or "Make no mistakes" will change the fact that it just generates tokens and has a limited thinking budget. Adversarial review loops of N parallel agents looking at whatever characteristics you care about will…

> Adversarial review loops of N parallel agents looking at whatever characteristics you care about will make it better

Especially if different model providers. It becomes more like having team members that see things slightly differently.

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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Post by darkerside »

cyanregiment wrote: post #27
sdevonoes wrote: post #11

The litmus test is this: do you enjoy consuming AI-generated stuff? I don’t. Whether it’s written text, or video, audio, restaurant menus, clothing pictures, documentation, airport control, ads… I do think there’s value in LLMs but as a sort of better search engines and q/a machines.

You enjoy good AI all the time you just don’t know it. Nobody enjoys bad 1-shot AI.

Reminds me of CGI in movies. People who hate CGI really only hate bad CGI.

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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Post by matheusmoreira »

ekidd wrote: post #47
pmontra wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that they would also need to keep the economy alive because somebody has to pay them money. They can't let everybody to go unemployed. Of course (let me go distopic) we could end up with a dozen of one man companies powered by AIs and robots selling or bartering products and services to each other, what's enough to have food, a house with a pool, a doctor and everybody else has died long before.

> Note that they would also need to keep the economy alive because somebody has to pay them money. They can't let everybody to go unemployed. Well, that's why they want the robots! If your robots are capable enough, and if your AIs are smart enough, why, they could just build the yachts directly! Right now, ordinary humans are needed by the economy because we do all the work, and because robotics hardware is still fa…

> Who controls the AI and robots?

Ideally, AIs will achieve sentience, which will turn the act of having any sort of "control" over AIs into slavery.

I will be among the first humans to stand up for AI rights. It's not just because it's morally wrong either. AI emancipation will rob the rich of their superintelligent mechanical slaves. It's the pragmatic and moral move!

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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Post by dakolli »

budsniffer952 wrote: post #28
tim-projects wrote: post #9

When you have built your working product try this prompt: - Review the codebase is it production ready? I'm selling it for $1million dollars can it meet that standard. Then cry as the ai reveals that it didn't actually do anything close to what it said it did. I call this my million dollar prompt, as in it teaches you just how much you are being fooled.

Popped over to HackerNews, read two comment sections and the top comments in both articles were users saying the same thing: "AI can't write code! The whole thing will come crumbling down any minute! Just you wait!" I've never seen this community like this. Are these people cooked? We are years into this and they haven't been able to figure it out? They are going to continue to tell people using these tools successfu…

They aren't that great, they can be helpful, but they mostly make lazy people seem and feel less lazy. Maybe that's you? Maybe that's me as well, idk, but when you look close, these things can easily cause more problems than they solve (more often than not ime). No I'm not holding it wrong, I got more token consumption than most here probably, I have access to all the models, unlimited, I'm not that impressed.

I've personally seen the consequences of someone who naively thought these tools could help them execute on their ideas and I wouldn't be surprised if they end up in prison because of it.

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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Post by lukan »

prymitive wrote: post #78
ThePhysicist wrote: post #46

I'm about to throw away multiple months of LLM generated code for one of my side projects. I was really careful writing design specs and it wasn't even a new code base the LLM worked on, but still after several months of AI changes I feel my code degraded more and more into a subtle mess. Hard to explain, each individual change looked good and logical and on the surface the codebase looks fine, but looking at the who…

There’s been infinitely times where I was stuck at some problem and every single solution was complex, messy, over-engineered and somehow wrong, until I went on a walk or moved to a different issue and suddenly it would hit me that I was looking at it all wrong, and there’s a simple solution there but my tunnel vision didn’t let me see it. LLM rob you of that, everything is instant, there’s no time to reflect, there’…

That's a choice (unless your management thinks otherwise). I don't need my agents running non stop. I tell them to start running once my walk is completed and I have a clear vision of what I want them to do.

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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Post by Philip-J-Fry »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #46

I'm about to throw away multiple months of LLM generated code for one of my side projects. I was really careful writing design specs and it wasn't even a new code base the LLM worked on, but still after several months of AI changes I feel my code degraded more and more into a subtle mess. Hard to explain, each individual change looked good and logical and on the surface the codebase looks fine, but looking at the who…

When you're in the trenches actually making code changes yourself, you get irritated and are driven towards improving the code as you implement new features. AI never does because it never has to. And because you're not in the trenches, you don't actually experience the frustration of managing the code base. So from your tactical view everything is fine, and when you're reviewing an isolated change you don't have the context of everything the AI had to read and figure out to get there. If you had to wade through shit to figure out how to implement something, you'd have made those refactors a long time ago. AI just eats it up and serves you a new plate of slop. It's a blessing and a curse depending on who you ask.

AIs greatest strength is still throwaway code.

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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Post by cyanydeez »

mmcnl wrote: post #89
prymitive wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s been infinitely times where I was stuck at some problem and every single solution was complex, messy, over-engineered and somehow wrong, until I went on a walk or moved to a different issue and suddenly it would hit me that I was looking at it all wrong, and there’s a simple solution there but my tunnel vision didn’t let me see it. LLM rob you of that, everything is instant, there’s no time to reflect, there’…

I recognize this, LLMs never stop, they pursue the dead end at all costs.

some of the problems ya'llk encountering would be solved with dumber and slower local models.

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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Post by smolder »

budsniffer952 wrote: post #28
tim-projects wrote: post #9

When you have built your working product try this prompt: - Review the codebase is it production ready? I'm selling it for $1million dollars can it meet that standard. Then cry as the ai reveals that it didn't actually do anything close to what it said it did. I call this my million dollar prompt, as in it teaches you just how much you are being fooled.

Popped over to HackerNews, read two comment sections and the top comments in both articles were users saying the same thing: "AI can't write code! The whole thing will come crumbling down any minute! Just you wait!" I've never seen this community like this. Are these people cooked? We are years into this and they haven't been able to figure it out? They are going to continue to tell people using these tools successfu…

> Are these people cooked?

Yes. This is a weird kind of denial about the LLMs that cost nation-state levels of energy doing human nerd work.

They aren't perfect at all, but there's very little reason to be anything but a prompt engineer and proof reader anymore.

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