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AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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"AI has dramatically accelerated the path to a first working version. It has not shortened the distance between a first working version and something production-grade." - Anuradha Weeraman

Uhh yes it has

Nuh-uh

(please use your words to construct a full argument)

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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When you have built your working product try this prompt: - Review the codebase is it production ready? I'm selling it for $1million dollars can it meet that standard. Then cry as the ai reveals that it didn't actually do anything close to what it said it did. I call this my million dollar prompt, as in it teaches you just how much you are being fooled.

OpenClaw sold for how much?...

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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The test is simple: have we seen great new products or improvements in the products we use over the past 12,24,36 months? The only great new product I’ve used is my LLM of choice, and those labs seem to be hiring more humans than ever. Maybe it’s true that Claude only just got good enough and that 12 months from now our day to day lives will be way better thanks to LLM-driven product improvements/breakthroughs. My be…

It's the opposite: people like you will be telling people using these tools successfully, "but where are all great new products???", which, of course, is almost immeasurable. The Internet is a better fax machine and all that.

What tools?

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Popped over to HackerNews, read two comment sections and the top comments in both articles were users saying the same thing: "AI can't write code! The whole thing will come crumbling down any minute! Just you wait!" I've never seen this community like this. Are these people cooked? We are years into this and they haven't been able to figure it out? They are going to continue to tell people using these tools successfu…

Yeah, it's baffling. I can't relate to these statements at all. What are people doing? Surely the smart people of HN would have been able to figure this out a long time ago. I also don't find these people in real life. Even the most junior developers I know are able to navigate this without creating this supposed mess.

Its a bit unkind to talk like this - the obvious and equally unproductive response is to question if you are really as good as you think you are. Are those junior developers not making a mess, or do you lack the insight to see it?

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lullaby for the Gen AI era exists, but its for CEOs and it is being played in management meetings, it's main theme is about maximizing EBITDA. The defensive mechanisms kick in because even though more code is generated than ever, we are not observing an equivalent rise in software quality or usefulness, some would perhaps argue it's even opposite. If gen ai for code was really what it is being sold as it would al…

I don't think so. GPT CODEX and Claude Code are already saying they use AI in their own codebases, and they have huge numbers of active users. Can that really be called a failure? In my view, it's just that the existing infrastructure layer is so thick that it's not immediately visible—but AI adoption is already quite widespread across many companies. People say program quality has declined, but I don't think so. The…

Adoption absolutely did happen, I am not questioning that. What I am questioning is whether it really is the revolution the people selling it want us to believe it is.

Just to disclose: I use those every day, I have two Claude Max 20 subscription myself. I am still in doubt how much more productive professionally it made me. I am having a ton of fun in exploring stuff I never would have otherwise though.

I define software quality in my daily life by this: how often I am delighted by the piece of software I use. Those moment are rare and far between, and it's not getting any better.

Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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There's going to be plenty of work helping other companies make some sense of their vibe coded efforts. The value of individual projects might decrease, but there will be a lot more of them. And without help they won't actually work out all that well. I talked to a company that does not employ software engineers that were doing some things with Claude Code a few weeks ago. Insightful comment: I want that person to do…

> Insightful comment: I want that person to do what I hired them to do, not mess around with code. What does that mean? Who is that person who should not mess with the code?

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Re: AI doesn't generate working products, that's still your job

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I like that one “ They understand what they're asking the model to produce. They review generated code with the same critical eye they'd apply to a junior engineer's pull request. They bring architectural thinking to the conversation, not just feature descriptions. They know when to push back on what the model suggests.” I use AI randomly recently and more and more see it as fantastic poc tool , also it’s really good at comparison existing tools and making some raw material for analysis
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