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Re: A week in Matrix

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Post by regnerba »

fedpost wrote: post #5

Are there any real options in this space for something that is - E2EE - Large group capable (100+ users) - FOSS + self hostable - Not riddled with security issues - Relatively easy to use for iOS and Android users (safe for normies) I help run a Matrix server for people who are at risk from the current administration and I can attest to all of the issues mentioned plus a few more. I'd rather not move to something as…

Chatto is what I am starting to lean into. Still early in development, but self-hosted version is available and the dev has been responsive and nice to chat to.

Re: A week in Matrix

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Post by tcfhgj »

NetOpWibby wrote: post #16

The unfortunate surprise with self-hosting Matrix is that Element X requires sliding sync and Element X cannot be installed on macOS if you have System Integrity turned off (I assume they store the keys in the Secure Enclave or something). Conduit gained support for SS fairly recently so that’s good. For a decent client, I’d recommend Cinny. There’s currently a fork of Cinny in development but it doesn’t work with my…

Element Desktop is the element desktop client (doesn't officially have sliding sync yet)

Re: A week in Matrix

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Post by pitchlatte »

Almondsetat wrote: post #28
bronson wrote: post #3

I feel this. And it doesn't even cover the very first conversation I have with my users. "You want to install Element" "But I want Matrix." "They call it Element now." "I want to speak on Element?" "No you want to speak on Matrix using Element." "Uh." "Don't worry about it. Look, just install Element." "Well, I see Element and Element X." "Oh right. Well, do you want to video chat?" "What?" "Element X doesn't video c…

That's a strange conversation to have. Just compare it with email and they immediately get it

tried this and it’s not always an immediate eyes-light-up. it’s a bit frustrating really, the chasm between what people know and what they need to know.

Re: A week in Matrix

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Post by TabTwo »

The sad part of it, way back we had to deal with icq, msn, Yahoo and then had the chance to reunite every one with XMPP. But that dream failed. Now we have a gazillion of services with anoying things like FOSS projects using closed source services like WhatsApp as their community base.

Re: A week in Matrix

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Post by tim-projects »

20k wrote: post #12
pkulak wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s Matrix. Matrix has spent too much time chasing Discord, with spaces, and group video chat, and email with federation. And too much time chasing Slack with threads. But everything you mentioned is core Matrix chat and works great on every client.

Matrix still doesn't have a client with built in push to talk as far as I'm aware. The relevant issue on the Element github has been sat there for 8 years now It does not seem like a serious project, at least not one being developed by folks who have user experience in mind

I've never used matrix for more than 10 minutes, but I'd like to counter this with WhatsApp. WhatsApp has a swipe up to talk. This feature when used in a group effectively sends audio from you walking in your pocket to potentially thousands of people.

Internet groups are littered with complaints about this feature. But there is no way to turn it off and meta appears to not give a sh*t.

So, I'm not sure you can really argue that Matrix is not serious when that is the competition.

Re: A week in Matrix

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Post by louiskottmann »

xorcist wrote: post #34
JuniperMesos wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Dendrite is kind of deprecated as a homeserver these days, at least it doesn't seem to be the main focus of development and most recent commits are mere dependency bumps. Years ago, when the server was set up, choosing Dendrite seemed like a good decision, because it was easier to deploy and maintain than Synapse and there was a promise for a bright future for the first 2nd generation homeserver implementation. Unf…

That is also an unfortunate design on Matrix' part. I had no problem migrating data when changing from ejabberd to Prosody. Because they are open source, so it's not really a problem to export to ad-hoc text and import again. But Matrix closely follows proprietary products in its design, and the database is treated like some internal affair that you are not to meddle in. You'd have to reverse engineer the data format…

AFAIR there is a doc about migration from synapse, that they promised to automate once dendrite would be production ready, which it never became.

Re: A week in Matrix

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Post by pitchlatte »

stsch wrote: post #32

I can relate. I run Synapse for only 2 users, and every update is like a lottery. "Unable to decrypt" most often. Logout 2-3 times, clear cache, then suddenly it works again. IRC was so easy. :(

as someone who wasn’t online in the IRC heydays i really wonder why we can’t just build on it, instead of inventing new protocols

Re: A week in Matrix

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Post by louiskottmann »

progval wrote: post #24
louiskottmann wrote: post #19

Remark half-way in the rant they are using dendrite, an experimental matrix server implementation that has been abandonned. Thus ranting about it is cheeky at best. I have been using synapse for years with little issue.

This is addressed two paragraphs later: > Years ago, when the server was set up, choosing Dendrite seemed like a good decision > Unfortunately, migrating between Matrix homeserver implementations remains a problem with no satisfying solution, so we're kind of stuck on slowly rotting foundations.

Acknowledged yes, adressed no.

Using dendrite at the time was a bet on the future : "use it now and you won't have to migrate".

You can also migrate by replicating messages, or mirroring new messages via a bridge.

In my opinion they tried nothing and they're all out of options.

Re: A week in Matrix

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Post by louiskottmann »

thegabriele wrote: post #31
louiskottmann wrote: post #19

Remark half-way in the rant they are using dendrite, an experimental matrix server implementation that has been abandonned. Thus ranting about it is cheeky at best. I have been using synapse for years with little issue.

Hi, could you describe the environment you're using it? Thank you

Docker-compose setup (nothing fancy) on a dedicated server.

Usage is work, family and personal notes.

Re: A week in Matrix

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Post by tcfhgj »

pitchlatte wrote: post #47
stsch wrote: post #32

I can relate. I run Synapse for only 2 users, and every update is like a lottery. "Unable to decrypt" most often. Logout 2-3 times, clear cache, then suddenly it works again. IRC was so easy. :(

as someone who wasn’t online in the IRC heydays i really wonder why we can’t just build on it, instead of inventing new protocols

Because people have different use cases and priorities about chat.

Matrix.org and liberachat used to be connected using a bridge, even then the Matrix side didn't implement the requirements of liberal chat fast enough such that the bridge was abondened.

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