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Dubious research tied to Red Bull has shaped energy drink policy

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Re: Dubious research tied to Red Bull has shaped energy drink policy

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Post by cma »

sneak wrote: post #188
jwrallie wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is likely true, but there are other factors. For example delayed sleep phase paired with fixed office work hours. I bet many people that have a slight 1-2h shift compared to the average are using an early morning coffee to make things work.

Not sure why you’re downvoted, this is HUGE. Most humans have a circadian rhythm that tends toward slightly longer than 24 hours, and waking up at the same time every day can be very difficult for some percentage of us.

That's if they are in a cave experiment: without that the sunlight cycle regulates it back to 24hr. But not for everyone, and that's N24/non-24, not DPSD, delayed-phase sleep disorder.

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Post by ehnto »

jwrallie wrote: post #164
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're describing caffeine addiction. This also happens with coffee. People at the office sometimes ask me how I manage to get up in the morning and be in a good mood without having a cup of coffee. I suspect that most of them are only in a bad mood after waking up because they have mild caffeine widthrawal.

That is likely true, but there are other factors. For example delayed sleep phase paired with fixed office work hours. I bet many people that have a slight 1-2h shift compared to the average are using an early morning coffee to make things work.

I have a delayed sleep phase. In the modern working world that means I am not as effective as I could be, and it puts a lot of stress on my body to be awake when work requires.

The stigma is real, no one truly believes it, especially those who love work. But I don't choose it, I would rather be a morning person so it wasn't such a grind to deal with the trivial office bullshit surrounding start times.

Appreciate that some people may have suggestions on how to change and become a morning person. I'll ask this, with your job, your family and other responsibilities in mind, could become a night owl?

Re: Dubious research tied to Red Bull has shaped energy drink policy

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Post by bluefirebrand »

cma wrote: post #201
sneak wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you’re downvoted, this is HUGE. Most humans have a circadian rhythm that tends toward slightly longer than 24 hours, and waking up at the same time every day can be very difficult for some percentage of us.

That's if they are in a cave experiment: without that the sunlight cycle regulates it back to 24hr. But not for everyone, and that's N24/non-24, not DPSD, delayed-phase sleep disorder.

Not everyone lives in a place with relatively consistent sunlight either

If you're far north you have really long days in summer and long nights in winter

Re: Dubious research tied to Red Bull has shaped energy drink policy

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Post by pseudohadamard »

superdisk wrote: post #29

I really don't know why people go so nuts over energy drinks. People casually chug coffee like crazy and then act like you're drinking nuclear waste when you drink a monster, and then you look at the ingredients list and it's like - Water - Sugar - Vitamin B - Caffeine and the caffeine is basically equivalent to one cup of coffee.

Red Bull is a triumph of marketing over... well, everything else. It's not just, from TFA:

  For more than a decade, Red Bull paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for university professors to conduct research that has been favorable to the energy drink industry
it goes back well before that. It comes in a small can so it must be more potent than everyone else's sugary fizz, it costs more than everyone else's sugary fizz so it must be better, it tastes like ass so there must be some health or energy benefit to it, and taurine is about to be banned because it's so... so... well something, so get it now. Its success has been the subject of numerous studies by psychologists and behavioral economists.

The reason why drinks mixing caffeine and alcohol have often been banned is that, in studies not funded by Red Bull, there's a clear connection between that and higher car accident and sexual assault rates.

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Post by Retric »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #194
Retric wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Oh no!" No reason to flip out just because you demonstrated your assumption was incorrect. Don’t worry we won’t test if you actually drink strong coffee. > this person You can find random YouTube videos supporting anything. The YouTube algorithm specifically promotes wildly inaccurate results as they are more interesting. Meanwhile offer sources disagree. https://baristalife.co/blogs/blog/mcdonalds-caffeine-conten…

> Don’t worry Ok, I won't worry. But only because you said not to. > compiled them from McDonald's customer service It sounds like you didn't actually click through and read their source, because that's not where their source says the numbers actually come from. I'll leave finding the answer as a fun exercise. (Hint: the numbers have no relation to any McDonalds products except by USDA category) > They don’t publish…

> didn't actually click through

Actually, I think misunderstood what they said.

Effectively all nutrition labels are just using the FDA’s numbers on their ingredients list. They know how many coffee beans they buy and how many cups they serve. Brewing coffee isn’t going to summon arbitrary amounts of caffeine from the neatherworld.

> just made up

Actually it’s from an internal source though possibly outdated. McDonald’s is rather famous for losing a large lawsuit around coffee. They didn’t just change the temperature and call it a day but went full cya.

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Post by Llamamoe »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #99
tombert wrote: post #25

I have always hated coffee so I've previously had some kind of energy drink in the morning for weeks at a time. Those suckers are bizarrely addictive. It's one thing to have one shortly after you wake up, but I found myself craving them later and later in the day, and of course that makes it harder to sleep...which makes me more likely to have energy drinks the next day. I stopped the daily consumption when I realize…

You're describing caffeine addiction. This also happens with coffee. People at the office sometimes ask me how I manage to get up in the morning and be in a good mood without having a cup of coffee. I suspect that most of them are only in a bad mood after waking up because they have mild caffeine widthrawal.

Sleep problems due to undiagnosed or subtle Sleep Disordered Breathing, or other fatigue-causing conditions not quite bad enough to either be disabling or diagnosed are extremely common.

It's easy to be tempted to blame it on people getting addicted to caffeine or whatever but the reality is that most people do those things to self medicate a real issue they have no better recourse against.

Re: Dubious research tied to Red Bull has shaped energy drink policy

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Post by crysin »

alexjplant wrote: post #131
superdisk wrote: post #29

I really don't know why people go so nuts over energy drinks. People casually chug coffee like crazy and then act like you're drinking nuclear waste when you drink a monster, and then you look at the ingredients list and it's like - Water - Sugar - Vitamin B - Caffeine and the caffeine is basically equivalent to one cup of coffee.

It's cultural. Rave kids who listen to melodic dubstep drink Ghost because they like everything brightly-colored and artificial. Good ole' boys blowing stuff up in the woods drink Bucked Up or Rip It because they work hard and want something grab-and-go from Wal-Mart. Gamers love Bawls (or whatever the equivalent is now) because it tastes refreshing and keeps them up all night at LAN parties. Coffee is for sophistica…

The original AMP is still around! At least in the US midwest.

Re: Dubious research tied to Red Bull has shaped energy drink policy

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Post by anonzzzies »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #66
randysalami wrote: post #6

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Vodka Red Bull always seemed crazy to me. Caffeine lasts like 6 hours so I drink one at 2 am, what the hell am I doing! Granted people do cocaine so maybe it’s inconsequential. Drinking some coffee at 6 and 10 though before a night out, good move. Where I am, the nights can go to 4 or 6 easily.

There is actually quite a lot of variation from person to person in caffeine elimination half-life, from about 1.5-9 hours. Some of my extended family could drink a cup of coffee right before bed without issue. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK223808/

Coffee makes me sleepy, for instance.

Re: Dubious research tied to Red Bull has shaped energy drink policy

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Post by throwawayffffas »

filoleg wrote: post #62
superdisk wrote: post #29

I really don't know why people go so nuts over energy drinks. People casually chug coffee like crazy and then act like you're drinking nuclear waste when you drink a monster, and then you look at the ingredients list and it's like - Water - Sugar - Vitamin B - Caffeine and the caffeine is basically equivalent to one cup of coffee.

I am with you here, especially given that the examples listed in the article were basically: * Some young man downed 6 beers and "several" energy drinks, then dove into a lake, and subsequently died. His mother said that he grew up near a lake and a was a good swimmer, so their conclusion was to blame energy drinks. * An 18 year old woman downed 10 jagerbombs (a mix of jagermeister liquor and an energy drink) and sub…

I agree 100% but in the case of the 18year old the amount of caffeine involved is probably more likely to blame.

Still, wtf are you doing drinking that much caffeine. Following that logic we should also ban espresso martinis, Irish coffee, and coffee liquors.

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