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Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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I was reading an email today that pointed something obvious to me:

Age checks are a way to ban kids from social media because of how...horrible social medias' practices are? Why not ban the practices social media adopted,rather than the kids from social media?

It's like banning kids from school because they could find bullies in the school...

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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You can also get GrapheneOS right now on Google-branded hardware, which is expensive but not enshittified.

LineageOS is still a thing too.

But not in the same league as GrapheneOS.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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> Haven't video games solved this a long time ago with age ratings on the games themselves? Sony and Microsoft's parental controls are convoluted garbage with logins galore. But Nintendo's, at least on the Switch 1, was dead simple. You enable parental controls, set an age rating, and password. Done. There's an app to set time limits, whitelist/blacklist games, etc. That was the easiest UX I've seen.

Repeating what @aceazzameen replied for better visibility. There is no need for age verification in this form that are being pushed at us.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

#534

They want your data. YOU have become their product. By the way, this also explains one reason why Google shut down third party access/applications recently on Android. Android (if one uses the Google software) becomes the ultimate spy tool on people. At the same time you see several countries force age sniffing on people - this is the beginning of the end of the free web. It will happen in various steps; the next one…

Linux is also ready to support age verification through systemd. Luckily, there are still distros without it, like Void Linux. I switched to it recently and now my media PC boots faster than my TV takes to turn on.

Why was this downvoted? Lennart Poettering/Systemd project didn't even think for a minute before implementing this with nobody asking for this. I thought we were supposed to have good discussions here instead of ganging up.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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I don't mean to be confrontational, but the key detail you thought I missed, about it being complicated, was a fairly crucial part of my point that you've overlooked: My parents when I was young ended up having to figure out how to use digital cameras, scanners, printers, fax machines and then print, sign and sometimes even post off a letter for me to access one website which I wanted, which could take hours of their…

> Point being, the tools have always existed, and always felt inappropriate or convoluted, but my parents at least were happy to do it for their kids 20+ years ago. From what you're telling me, they're now a lot faster and easier to access and use. No they're not, the systems that exist today often don't even work and there's no alternative of "just mail a letter to Microsoft and they'll sort it out for you". "Faster…

It's far quicker/easier/more convenient to sit in front of a screen and try find some buttons. Your issue seems to be that those buttons have got harder to find and understand - that's a fair point.

My point is that - overall - clicking some buttons and waiting a few hours is far more accessible, faster, easier and less disruptive than what my parents had to do 20 years ago:

It required far, far more effort and thinking and action to find some physical, expensive, modern hardware, digitise signatures, and the post things off.

"Faster" is very relevant in a discussion about convenience and effort. The important point is how convenient it is for the child and the adult. Now, a child has to sit for an hour watching you fumble around on a screen. I had to wait for days and days whilst my parents fumbled around with cables and when to the post box and other stuff.

> the amount of time actively spent dealing with these things.

My parents used to have to spend more time actively dealing with me and my things whilst I was waiting for the post.

We're not going to agree here. You're a parent, complaining about how much time you have to spend supervising your kids. I sympathise for you, the modern world has a whole lot more expectations of your time which my parents didn't have. This is one of the many reasons me and my partner chose not to have kids, sorry.

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There are definitely toilets that have UAs.

all toilets are UA assuming the first word stands for a relative orientation, and the second stands for a slang word for butt

They are also User Agents, in that they interface with the user, process input from them, and pass it to the network. But that network isn't based on electricity and does not primarily transmit information, so it is not the kind of UA to a network, we want to introduce parental controls for.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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Guess what they check before they sell the kid a porn magazine

So you're suggesting resellers require ID's to sell smartphones? I completely agree. Not much difference between a porn magazine and a portal to infinite porn magazines.

Yeah, that would be my expectation as well.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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> It’s also pretty obvious that saying “parent should take responsibility” is also not working. So punish those people. Stop letting them neglect the responsibility a parent innately has to their child and to the rest of us.

Stop punishing me by asking for ID when I buy alcohol!

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Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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Last time I checked an Android phone was not selling me alcohol or porn. It requires specific deliberate actions to get access to anything like this with a phone. Any checks could be justified on the store or web-site level, not on the phone level. Treating every citizen as a child or even worse a potential criminal who needs to be constantly checked at numerous checkpoints the state so kindly put everywhere is exact…

Play Store absolutely is selling apps with 18+ restrictions, so most of your post is based on false premise.

Google Play != Android, so your comment is based on a false premise.
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