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Re: The Absurdity of Albert Camus

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Camus, for one.

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Everyone has to find an answer to the meaning if life. For the non religious/escapist, you have to stare into the void and find an answer at some point.

Existentialism (Sartre) says you have to find your own meaning. Camus says there cannot be meaning; life is inherently "absurd".

Any of the existentialist philosophies will be adjacent to angsty teenager stuff; they dance closely with nihilism and cynicism.

Re: The Absurdity of Albert Camus

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You will find them in the Existential Comics, e.g. [1], [2], [3] etc. [1] At the Existentialist Cafe, https://existentialcomics.com/comic/660 [2] The Asteroid and the Meaning of Life, https://existentialcomics.com/comic/654 [3] Camus on a Date, https://existentialcomics.com/comic/509

I love these, thanks!

Re: The Absurdity of Albert Camus

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His Sisyphus essay is famous for its closing line but I find it interesting how for several pages it closes with a thump, thump, thump and metaphor fusion (the essay is ending, the rock is rolling, the gods are watching, the choice is being made...) Even the second-last line is underrated: "There is no fate that can not be surmounted by scorn. [...] His fate belongs to him. His rock is his thing. [...] The absurd man…

> One must imagine Sisyphus happy

Notice that Camus doesn't say HOW to imagine Sisyphus happy. How do you?

I imagine that he's happy because he takes pride in the quality of his work pushing the stone.

Re: The Absurdity of Albert Camus

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I heard of Camus around 1985 when I started listening to the Cure. For several years, I collected Cure records, saw the Cure live, and the Cure was near the top of my obsessions. I heard all about the controversy of their single, "Killing An Arab", how it had been introduced on the radio, and how it gained a disclaimer sticker. I eventually read the first 3 pages of The Stranger and then I stopped. I also never read…

FWiW you couldn't go to an Australian pub in the 1980s without running into a band drawing on French philosophy / poetry.

eg: Paul Kelly and the Coloured Girls at the Hopetoun Hotel in '86 riffing on lines from Arthur Rimbaud

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrTGWrQ4YGs

* https://www.paulkelly.com.au/lyric/the-execution/

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Rimbaud

Re: The Absurdity of Albert Camus

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His Sisyphus essay is famous for its closing line but I find it interesting how for several pages it closes with a thump, thump, thump and metaphor fusion (the essay is ending, the rock is rolling, the gods are watching, the choice is being made...) Even the second-last line is underrated: "There is no fate that can not be surmounted by scorn. [...] His fate belongs to him. His rock is his thing. [...] The absurd man…

> One must imagine Sisyphus happy Notice that Camus doesn't say HOW to imagine Sisyphus happy. How do you? I imagine that he's happy because he takes pride in the quality of his work pushing the stone.

I don't directly interpret Camus, but I think to my interpretation of Dostoevsky's underground man. He knows he's irrational, can "rationally prove" he's irrational, yet still lives on anyways.

There's a sort of pride in fully knowing, accepting, and disengaging with some rational proof, and still "living your life anyways". In some sense, even though that might be irrational, it's one of the deepest forms of satisfaction.

Re: The Absurdity of Albert Camus

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One must imagine Sisyphus happy Notice that Camus doesn't say HOW to imagine Sisyphus happy. How do you? I imagine that he's happy because he takes pride in the quality of his work pushing the stone.

I don't directly interpret Camus, but I think to my interpretation of Dostoevsky's underground man. He knows he's irrational, can "rationally prove" he's irrational, yet still lives on anyways. There's a sort of pride in fully knowing, accepting, and disengaging with some rational proof, and still "living your life anyways". In some sense, even though that might be irrational, it's one of the deepest forms of satisfa…

As a sort of dessert to that main course, one could imagine Camus happy. (For example, while playing Aunt Agony.) Or appetizer.

Personally, this helped https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2023/03/14/camuss-new-yo...

https://archive.ph/JEuoa

>Forty-­eight hours of pleasant euphoria

Such an epicure? So Epicurean?

(As well as the rest of the diary)

Re: The Absurdity of Albert Camus

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One must imagine Sisyphus happy Notice that Camus doesn't say HOW to imagine Sisyphus happy. How do you? I imagine that he's happy because he takes pride in the quality of his work pushing the stone.

I don't directly interpret Camus, but I think to my interpretation of Dostoevsky's underground man. He knows he's irrational, can "rationally prove" he's irrational, yet still lives on anyways. There's a sort of pride in fully knowing, accepting, and disengaging with some rational proof, and still "living your life anyways". In some sense, even though that might be irrational, it's one of the deepest forms of satisfa…

And this explains a lot of politics these days…
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