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Dario Amodei's stance on open weights is self-serving and short-sighted

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Re: Dario Amodei's stance on open weights is self-serving and short-sighted

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Post by erwald »

> Furthermore, export controls, for which Dario Amodei openly advocates, are already prompting China to build its own chips. China is, of course, behind the West, but not as much as you may think. Instead of adopting a Western technology stack and relying on our technology to build its AI models, China will increasingly rely on its own chips, reducing Western leverage.

China has been working hard to indigenize AI chip making since well before the October 2022 export controls. I don't think the controls had zero effect, but overall I think the effect is often very overstated, and anyway it's irreversible (there's no way China will stop its self-sufficiency efforts even if the AI chip ban is lifted; the CCP will always ensure there's a large enough domestic market carved out for every Huawei Ascend produced).

Cf. https://newsletter.decisiontreeresearch.com/p/how-much-did-u...

Re: Dario Amodei's stance on open weights is self-serving and short-sighted

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Post by unclad5968 »

Chance-Device wrote: post #8

I think he probably didn’t go far enough to be honest, though I acknowledge that’s difficult to do in his position and with the amount of attacks being thrown at Anthropic at the moment. At some point open weight models will need to be restricted in some manner, likely multiple manners. We have rules about everything, you need a license to drive a car, your car must be roadworthy, your car can’t have certain modifica…

I'm mostly ignorant to anything regarding the safety of LLMs. What makes an open-weight LLM dangerous?

Re: Dario Amodei's stance on open weights is self-serving and short-sighted

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Post by watwut »

Chance-Device wrote: post #8

I think he probably didn’t go far enough to be honest, though I acknowledge that’s difficult to do in his position and with the amount of attacks being thrown at Anthropic at the moment. At some point open weight models will need to be restricted in some manner, likely multiple manners. We have rules about everything, you need a license to drive a car, your car must be roadworthy, your car can’t have certain modifica…

The first thing to restrict, long before open models, are large closed corporate LLMs.

After all, open models are not nearly as dangerous as rich companies.

Re: Dario Amodei's stance on open weights is self-serving and short-sighted

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Post by argee »

Chance-Device wrote: post #8

I think he probably didn’t go far enough to be honest, though I acknowledge that’s difficult to do in his position and with the amount of attacks being thrown at Anthropic at the moment. At some point open weight models will need to be restricted in some manner, likely multiple manners. We have rules about everything, you need a license to drive a car, your car must be roadworthy, your car can’t have certain modifica…

The only widely publicized AI orchestrated cyberattack in recent memory came from a closed-weight model, and the only widely publicized defense from said attack came from an open-weight Chinese model. What do you make of that?

> I don’t think that an AI monopoly or duopoly should be allowed to exist either

Monopolies have always been allowed to exist, even welcomed. People have gotten confused, but there is a big difference between a monopoly and an illegal monopoly. Deciding what should and shouldn’t be allowed to exist as determined by regulatory bodies and not consumers goes against democratic principles (though it is sometimes necessary, such as with drugs).

I don’t think I want to live in a world where police decides what brand of chips I can eat on the sole basis of the chips having gotten too popular. Do you?

Re: Dario Amodei's stance on open weights is self-serving and short-sighted

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Post by blooalien »

unclad5968 wrote: post #12
Chance-Device wrote: post #8

I think he probably didn’t go far enough to be honest, though I acknowledge that’s difficult to do in his position and with the amount of attacks being thrown at Anthropic at the moment. At some point open weight models will need to be restricted in some manner, likely multiple manners. We have rules about everything, you need a license to drive a car, your car must be roadworthy, your car can’t have certain modifica…

I'm mostly ignorant to anything regarding the safety of LLMs. What makes an open-weight LLM dangerous?

> What makes an open-weight LLM dangerous?

Same thing that makes any LLM dangerous. The intent and actions of the person using the LLM to do bad things. Any tool can be dangerous in the hands of the wrong person...

Re: Dario Amodei's stance on open weights is self-serving and short-sighted

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Post by tristanj »

erwald wrote: post #11

> Furthermore, export controls, for which Dario Amodei openly advocates, are already prompting China to build its own chips. China is, of course, behind the West, but not as much as you may think. Instead of adopting a Western technology stack and relying on our technology to build its AI models, China will increasingly rely on its own chips, reducing Western leverage. China has been working hard to indigenize AI chi…

I used to think that export controls didn't work, until I realized that China has leapfrogged the West on every technology that wasn't subject to export controls.

Re: Dario Amodei's stance on open weights is self-serving and short-sighted

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Post by snootypoot »

Chance-Device wrote: post #8

I think he probably didn’t go far enough to be honest, though I acknowledge that’s difficult to do in his position and with the amount of attacks being thrown at Anthropic at the moment. At some point open weight models will need to be restricted in some manner, likely multiple manners. We have rules about everything, you need a license to drive a car, your car must be roadworthy, your car can’t have certain modifica…

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Re: Dario Amodei's stance on open weights is self-serving and short-sighted

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Post by AustinDev »

dang wrote: post #10
AustinDev wrote: post #3

Dario Amodei's stance on ________ is self-serving and short-sighted. It's the EA way.

Please don't cross into personal attack or post flamebait or take HN threads on generic tangents. We're trying for something different here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Criticizing EA is not a personal attack it's an observation of the outcomes associated with the ideology.

I'm sorry if it was flamebait.

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