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Tailscale didn't stop the Hugging Face intrusion

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Re: Tailscale didn't stop the Hugging Face intrusion

#81

Does Tailscale offer a "security checkup" function? Best practices evolve over time, and it would be nice to know if I'm using the recommended configuration.

I lead the customer engineering org at Tailscale. We think this is a great idea and we're discussing internally potentially adding that to the console. In the meantime, if you'd like to get an assessment, please feel free to open a support ticket ( https://tailscale.com/contact/support?type=other&subject=sec... ) and we'll happily take a look

Not a Tailscale user, but...

For any software or tooling with a complex config, my ideal would be to have a superset of this feature, to provide "intelligent diffs" between full or local configuration states. Whether active or saved. So I could compare not just my current active config and your current recommended config(s), but also between your prior-version recommended config(s) and current recommended config(s). Or between my current config and a prospective new config I'm working up. Or between my last-year active config and current active config.

Re: Tailscale didn't stop the Hugging Face intrusion

#82

Expect similar articles (cough, ads, cough) in the next couple of days from every single company whose software was involved in the incident.

i doubt it. it's pretty risky to set higher expectations for yourself when no one was really asking.

they are a company, therefor anything they write is an advertisement of sorts, but that doesn't make it bad by default. cloudflare and netflix (among others) also write blog posts that i find interesting and enjoy reading, despite being ads at their core.

Re: Tailscale didn't stop the Hugging Face intrusion

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why should insecure argument handling bugs (as per your recent SSH bulletin) be found after release ? Those are an ancient class of bugs that should be picked up by any competent security review.

Is your theory that "any competent security review" will find every security hole in a product? Because that sure would be great if it were true. Unfortunately it does not match my experience.

Every security hole ? No, of course not.

But things like insecure argument handling are low-hanging fruit for security auditors.

Insecure argument handling is not like the more advanced subtle vulnerabilities that we are seeing in some LLM-assisted reports these days. Insecure argument handling is 1990's security.

The fundamental problem remains that Tailscale has too many new "features" being added to it the whole time. New features means a whole bunch new code. Which increases bloat and exponentially increases the attack surface.

It would be really nice if you could stop shoehorning in every new feature you can think of. Remove some of the existing ones that don't really need to be there. And get your codebase back to a more focused state, get back to your roots as a VPN product.

Stop trying to be all things to all men, as the old saying goes.

Re: Tailscale didn't stop the Hugging Face intrusion

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article is just an ad / public-service-announcement for various paid Tailscale features, though?

And you're under the impression that the purpose of a company blog is WHAT, exactly?

The person I'm replying to says they deserve "a lot of respect for this"

Re: Tailscale didn't stop the Hugging Face intrusion

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article is just an ad / public-service-announcement for various paid Tailscale features, though?

And you're under the impression that the purpose of a company blog is WHAT, exactly?

I have recently noticed that the words "ad" or "marketing" have become, in and of themselves, with no additional information or context, slurs or dismissals.

I understand why. The modern internet has turned advertising into a morass of constant bombardment and the only sane response is to block as much as possible and ignore as much else as possible.

But it's unfortunate because, in some sense, ever single thing that a company every says that is not legally mandated in some way is a form of advertising.

And in many cases, that "advertising" contains true, useful information that can be helpful.

What is important isn't whether or not something is an "ad", but instead, whether or not it contains true information that is helpful in some way.

Many ads don't reach this bar. They are either misleading, straight up lying, or information that is almost completely useless.

But when I'm searching for a particular product, about the only source of information at all is some form of advertising, and I almost always find at least some amount of it to be helpful in making a product decision.

Ads are more often than not polluting to the informational ecosystem, but that's not because they are ads.

Re: Tailscale didn't stop the Hugging Face intrusion

#86

Anthropics initial post felt like marketing to me. But I also found them incompetent for being unable to unplug an Ethernet cable. Now everyone is trying to bandwagon onto it, first OpenAI, and now tailscale?

Oh no! Marketing! Whatever shall we do‽

Re: Tailscale didn't stop the Hugging Face intrusion

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you're under the impression that the purpose of a company blog is WHAT, exactly?

The person I'm replying to says they deserve "a lot of respect for this"

i said i have a lot of respect for this. whether you do or not is up to you.

anything a company writes is an advertisement by the nature of being written by a company. i dont think that means anything a company writes is bad by default. there are many corporate blogs i enjoy reading, or learn from, etc., despite the fact that they are all technically advertisements.

in this case, tailscale is setting a higher expectation for themselves when no one asked for it. i find that respectable.

Re: Tailscale didn't stop the Hugging Face intrusion

#90

sorry I know off topic, is there any alternative VPN to tailscale. actually I have open Web socket to my mobile from my PC to stream screen record using ffmpeg. it's my own app . so anyway tailscale sometimes is slow . is there any alternative free service like tailscale vpn ? ( don't want to use anything like parsec etc , I want to use my own app)

You can use raw wireguard + ddns(if your ISP-given IP changes) to achieve this. This also implies maintaining a firewall to allow network pixies in and out. Totally doable, just needs a bit of upfront setup.

Benefit of Tailscale is that run the external servers that your PC and mobile use to establish connection.

Alternatives are Logmein Hamachi(might be dating myself here, haven't used them in 10+ years), Zerotier, Netbird. Headscale too.

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